From: "Sean Wolfe" <swolfe AT spindlex.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 16:22:24 -0600
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*From "Sean Wolfe" <swolfe AT spindlex.com> I've been kinda reading and thinking about Additive Synthesis quite a bit lately, but unfortunately I don't know that much about it. Almost all the Synth tutorials or teachings i find on the web deal with Subtractive synthesis. (most synths use Subtractive synthesis). another thing, I'm stating this and this could be an obvious question, but again, I only know very little about Additive Synthesis, but it's possible to do on the Nord right? Has anyone tryed to do any patches to sound like some of the sounds out of a Kawai k5000? In the same sense has anyone tried doing Phase Distortion Synthesis like in the Casio CZ series? I'd like to try and jump out of the Subtractive Synth rut(but a very nice and flexible rut that is). And info would help. Thanks. Sean ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:21:35 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com> Hey Sean.. This has to be a quicky, otherwise I would attach some patches, but additive synthesis is basically adding sinewaves ontop of each other till you get the exact sound you want. Since a sine has only its fundamental frequency, you build from the ground up. The sine bank is very nice for this, but you can't place different envelopes per osc. The CZ styled synthesis is basically a modification of the yamaha FM, and that can be reproduced in the FMB sine wave module. Place an envelope (or several), between the carrier and modulator(s) to get more interesting sounds. with slightly different settings or time delay you can create some interesting noises. When I get back later tonight I'll send you some simple constructs + a few weird extentions of these ideas.. (:: mr.frip ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Sam Ecoff <secoff AT execpc.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 19:07:10 -0600
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From Sam Ecoff <secoff AT execpc.com> Sean, FWIW, the awesome book "The computer music Tutorial" by Curtis Roads ↵ has an excellent section on additive synthesis. I too, have been thinking a lot about it lately. I have an old Kawai K-5m, but have never been brave enough to do more than noodle on the surface with it. I just can seem to figure out a good system to keep track of all of the control sources necessary to make all of those frequency and amplitude changes over time. I too am looking for a source that might give some tips about it. Does anyone know of such a source? Cheers! Sam E. Sean Wolfe wrote: > *From "Sean Wolfe" <swolfe AT spindlex.com> > I've been kinda reading and thinking about Additive Synthesis quite a bit > lately, but unfortunately I don't know that much about it. Almost all the > Synth tutorials or teachings i find on the web deal with Subtractive > synthesis. (most synths use Subtractive synthesis). another thing, I'm > stating this and this could be an obvious question, but again, I only know > very little about Additive Synthesis, but it's possible to do on the Nord > right? > > Has anyone tryed to do any patches to sound like some of the sounds out of ↵ a > Kawai k5000? And info would help. Thanks. > > Sean -- --------------------------------------- Sam Ecoff Secret Society Productions (262) 367-5332 http://www.execpc.com/~secoff ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Kees van der Maarel <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 04:47:30 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
".. [ enon ].." wrote: > > *From ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com> > Hey Sean.. > > This has to be a quicky, otherwise I would attach some patches, but ↵ additive > synthesis is basically adding sinewaves ontop of each other till you get ↵ the > exact sound you want. Since a sine has only its fundamental frequency, you > build from the ground up. The sine bank is very nice for this, but you ↵ can't > place different envelopes per osc. Yes you can! See attachment. Greetings, Kees. -- Very funny, Scotty... now beam down my clothes! E-mail: mailto:maarel AT caiw.nl ICQ nummer: 289859 Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~maarel/ Mirror site: http://members.xoom.com/keesvdm/ --ATTACHMENT: Additive.pch!
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From: "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 20:57:11 -0800
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*From "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> DOH! I was under the same impression as enon!!! And it was so simple: am=amplitude modulation...how could I miss that? Yowza...I'll be patching some fun things in the near future! Thanks very much, Kees! Regards, James ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kees van der Maarel" <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl> To: <modular-list AT wizoo.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:47 PM Subject: [PCH] Re: Additive Synthesis > > > ".. [ enon ].." wrote: > > > > *From ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT ↵ email.msn.com> > > Hey Sean.. > > > > This has to be a quicky, otherwise I would attach some patches, but additive > > synthesis is basically adding sinewaves ontop of each other till you ↵ get the > > exact sound you want. Since a sine has only its fundamental ↵ frequency, you > > build from the ground up. The sine bank is very nice for this, but ↵ you can't > > place different envelopes per osc. > > Yes you can! See attachment. > > > Greetings, > > Kees. > > -- > Very funny, Scotty... now beam down my clothes! > > E-mail: mailto:maarel AT caiw.nl > ICQ nummer: 289859 > Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~maarel/ > Mirror site: http://members.xoom.com/keesvdm/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 01:12:34 -0500
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*From ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com> > Yes you can! See attachment. Ohh ya, I forgot about those (I never use the module much) ... (:: mr.me (:: diagakku ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com>
Date: Fri, 16 Mar 2001 22:37:47 -0800
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> Sorry for my exuberance, You must understand ...I used to have a Kawai K5 which allowed you to controll 64 harmonics (sine wave oscillators) at once but only had four amplitude envelopes to assign to them all. Im working on a patch that uses eighteen harmonics each with it own envelope! Much more dynamic than anything created by the lowley K5. I *love* this little red box! Regards, James http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/jim.jpg ----- Original Message ----- From: "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> To: <modular-list AT wizoo.com> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:57 PM Subject: Re: [PCH] Re: Additive Synthesis > *From "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> > DOH! I was under the same impression as enon!!! And it was so simple: > am=amplitude modulation...how could I miss that? Yowza...I'll be patching > some fun things in the near future! > Thanks very much, Kees! > Regards, James > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Kees van der Maarel" <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT ↵ caiw.nl> > To: <modular-list AT wizoo.com> > Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:47 PM > Subject: [PCH] Re: Additive Synthesis > > > > > > > > ".. [ enon ].." wrote: > > > > > > *From ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT ↵ email.msn.com> > > > Hey Sean.. > > > > > > This has to be a quicky, otherwise I would attach some patches, ↵ but > additive > > > synthesis is basically adding sinewaves ontop of each other till ↵ you get > the > > > exact sound you want. Since a sine has only its fundamental ↵ frequency, > you > > > build from the ground up. The sine bank is very nice for this, ↵ but you > can't > > > place different envelopes per osc. > > > > Yes you can! See attachment. > > > > > > Greetings, > > > > Kees. > > > > -- > > Very funny, Scotty... now beam down my clothes! > > > > E-mail: mailto:maarel AT caiw.nl > > ICQ nummer: 289859 > > Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~maarel/ > > Mirror site: http://members.xoom.com/keesvdm/ > > ________________________________________________________ > The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO > http://www.wizoo.com > > ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Michael Bruder" <MiB303 AT gmx.net>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:50:17 +0100
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*From "Michael Bruder" <MiB303 AT gmx.net> > Regards, James > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/jim.jpg Hey, what is that keyboard on the pic? ... and nice to see so many waldorf synths here ;) ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Andreas Gaunitz <gaunitz AT konstfack.se>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 11:50:37 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message → Re: Additive Synthesis (...long) from hugo.haesaert AT skynet.be |
*From Andreas Gaunitz <gaunitz AT konstfack.se> Considerations about Additive synthesis: I once had a Kawai K5. There are several inherent problems with Additive that manifest themselves in the K5, the greatest 2 being: a) It's impossible to know what harmonics to use to get the sound you want and b) you need to control a very large amount of data simultaneously. a) In theory you can build any sound by adding harmonic sinewaves with different phase and volume to a 'base sine wave' whose frequency is 1/2 of the cycle frequency (that sine wave is called the fundamental). This is called Reversed Fast Fourier Transform. This might and might not be true. I've been reading up on inharmonic sounds lately (when studying cymbal synthesizing) and according to some sources you need to add inharmonic frequencies to get the noisy metallic sound of a crash cymbal. If so you could say that this kind of sound consists of a couple of harmonic sounds that are detuned relatively. Anyhow it's difficult to picture what harmonics need to be used to make a certain sound. This could be avoided by sampling a sound that is pretty much like the one you want and applying FFT to it to get its harmonic sinewaves. Then you could edit each sinewave. Unfortunately this will feel pretty much like applying EQ to the sound, instead of actually synthesizing. I once began writing an FFT applcation to port samples to the Kawai K5, but there were 2 problems that made me quit: 1) You can't decide the phase of the sinewaves on the K5 and 2) 64 harmonics is not much when you want sounds that are longer than 1 cycle AT 20 Hz, for example a drum loop. So I quit. Another big problem with the K5 is that you can't detune individual sine waves, so you can't really do the inharmonic sounds - cymbals, that is ;-) ... b) To make a sound that varies over time with Additive, you don't need envelopes. If your fundamental cycle time is 10 seconds, then you will get (at least) 5 seconds worth of time variant sound. However, most additive synths don't use this paradigm because in most synths a sound is made up from 1 cycle in audible range, that repeats infinitely. If you made one of those 1 cycle = 5 seconds sounds it would sound like a loop that repeated after 5 secs. This would add a lot of problems like getting a non-clicking loop and such. So synth manufacturers concentrate on short waves but a time variant amplitude of the sine waves. In the K5 you have 4 volume envelopes. You can assign any number of the 64 sines to one of the envs. The problem is: How do I know which of the 64 sinewaves to fade, when I don't even know which sine produces which part of the resulting spectrum? The answer is: Filters = subtractive synthesis! A filter can be described as a device wich takes a range of sinewaves (selected by the filter charachteristics: HP, LP, Notch etc) and attenuates them at once... while editing the individual sine waves is exactly the same as using a very detailed EQ on the sound. Different paradigms to explain the behavior of Additive synthesis: 1) Adding sinewaves with different volume and phase 2) Putting noise through a very detailed equalizer Orthodox additive: Use only harmonic sine waves. Unorthodox additive: Detune any sine wave individually. Additive implementations of different synths: Kawai K5: Lots of sines, but a limited and slow interface. Might be better with 'puter editor. Sounds thin. Casio VZ10m: Not an additive, but I tried to use 8 totally individual sines and add them together as a sound. Flexible but cumbersome. Sounds thin. Yamaha FM synths: Putting the operators in paralell yields a flexible sine bank with control over pitches and volumes and possibly even some unorthodox feedback. You know how fun it is to edit FM on a small display though... E-Mu Emax SE & Emax II: By far the most productive implementation for me. Altough it takes several minutes to compute a sound it produces an unexpectedly high number of high quality (lead) sounds. Emax uses a scheme called 'time slices'. You define at least 1 - the start - time slice and set volume and pitch for a number of sines. I don't think you can use more than 8 sines... (it's been a number of years since I had an Emax). You'll wait while the sampler computes 1 cycle. Then you play. If you define 2 or more time slices you set a time offset between them, and Emax computes the samples between the slices. I don't know why this works so well, but it might be that the default values are well chosen. I think the Emax mirrors the resulting wave to get a nice loop. In theory you would get a click when looping or mirroring a sound that has inharmonic sines in it, but somehow I haven't heard it very often on the Emax. Nord mod: Allows only a few harmonics but offers excellent control capabilities. Don't need as many sines as you can detune each 'harmonic'. You could do an Emax with the NM: 8 sine oscs, 8 pitch ramps and 8 volume ramps all ramps have the same time but different start and end levels. (think I'm gonna try tonight!). Don't use the sine bank though, 'cause you can't control the pitch of each sine. -Andreas >*From "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> >Sorry for my exuberance, >You must understand ...I used to have a Kawai K5 which allowed you to >controll 64 harmonics (sine wave oscillators) at once but only had four >amplitude envelopes to assign to them all. Im working on a patch that uses >eighteen harmonics each with it own envelope! Much more dynamic than >anything created by the lowley K5. I *love* this little red box! >Regards, James >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/jim.jpg > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> >To: <modular-list AT wizoo.com> >Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 8:57 PM >Subject: Re: [PCH] Re: Additive Synthesis > > >> *From "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> >> DOH! I was under the same impression as enon!!! And it was so simple: >> am=amplitude modulation...how could I miss that? Yowza...I'll be ↵ patching >> some fun things in the near future! >> Thanks very much, Kees! >> Regards, James >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Kees van der Maarel" <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT ↵ caiw.nl> >> To: <modular-list AT wizoo.com> >> Sent: Friday, March 16, 2001 7:47 PM >> Subject: [PCH] Re: Additive Synthesis >> >> >> > >> > >> > ".. [ enon ].." wrote: >> > > >> > > *From ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT ↵ email.msn.com> >> > > Hey Sean.. >> > > >> > > This has to be a quicky, otherwise I would attach some ↵ patches, but >> additive >> > > synthesis is basically adding sinewaves ontop of each other ↵ till you >get >> the >> > > exact sound you want. Since a sine has only its fundamental ↵ frequency, >> you >> > > build from the ground up. The sine bank is very nice for ↵ this, but you >> can't >> > > place different envelopes per osc. >> > >> > Yes you can! See attachment. >> > >> > >> > Greetings, >> > >> > Kees. >> > >> > -- >> > Very funny, Scotty... now beam down my clothes! >> > >> > E-mail: mailto:maarel AT caiw.nl >> > ICQ nummer: 289859 >> > Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~maarel/ >> > Mirror site: http://members.xoom.com/keesvdm/ >> >> ________________________________________________________ >> The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO >> http://www.wizoo.com >> >> > >________________________________________________________ >The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO >http://www.wizoo.com ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 05:17:40 -0700
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*From the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com> > Don't use the sine bank though, 'cause you can't control the pitch >of each sine. ah! i think you just pointed out what was bothering me! zzzzz BRAD -- /| |\ http://members.home.net/pedro.monkeyfinger/ |/| ftp://quixot.rug.ac.be/MP%26G_999.dbh%21/monkeyfinger/ / | | / |/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: synchro1 <synchro1 AT ix.netcom.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 08:30:58 -0800
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*From synchro1 <synchro1 AT ix.netcom.com> forget the keyboards, what is that cat on your shoulders? I have an Oriental Short hair that looks similar.... for those of you who didn't back up on the site past the photo, take a look at the digital images in the 2 galleries, some very impressive creations. I particularly liked http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/steve.html and http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/balcony57.html and I have nothing to say about the modular in this reply. But given how off topic this list became this week, I don't feel too guilty for my one post. I got the enhanced Memory ME-1 for my K5000S this week, am installing it today. But an Oberheim Echoplex also arrived yesterday, so perhaps I'll hold off on the memory and just get lost in loop land for the weekend. I think some of my Nord patches will work well with the echoplex. Final note - add my thanks to Justin for offering to maintain this list even though he just joined this community. He is an active and respected member of many other synth related groups and an excellent knowledge resource. Michael Bruder wrote: > *From "Michael Bruder" <MiB303 AT gmx.net> > > Regards, James > > http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/jim.jpg > > Hey, what is that keyboard on the pic? ... and nice to see so many waldorf > synths here ;) > ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Hugo Haesaert" <hugo.haesaert AT skynet.be>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 18:53:36 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: Additive Synthesis (...long) from gaunitz AT konstfack.se • This Message |
*From "Hugo Haesaert" <hugo.haesaert AT skynet.be> Hi All ! One should not forget the Synergy and it's rack successor (name escapes me) . Used extensively by W. Carlos . Only 32 partials per machine, but tunable . Can use waveforms with somewhat more harmonic content than a simple sine, to make up for the small no of partials . Then there's the Tekcnos Axcel Resynthesiser (sp?) My K5m is capable of a good number of weird and wonderful timbres, but the most beautiful girl in town can only give as much as she's got ;-) I reckon the ultimate additive synth has not been built yet . DSP seems the way to go . Bye for now . Keep 'em oscillating :) Hugo = ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:15:09 -0800
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> Hey, what is that keyboard on the pic? ... and nice to see so many waldorf > synths here ;) Its a Fizmo...great synth....Don't believe all the bad things you hear about it. Waldorf is the bee's knees, the XT compliments my Clavia Micromodular nicely. Heres a semi-additave patch BTW to keep everything on topic ^_^ Regards, James http://www.geocities.com/coalstar/ --ATTACHMENT: FormantAdd.pch!
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From: "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 10:26:59 -0800
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From "Carbon111" <carbon111 AT cablespeed.com> >forget the keyboards, what is that cat on your shoulders? I have an Oriental >Short hair that looks similar.... Good eyes...she's a purebred siamese and oriental shorthair mix. She likes to watch while I patch. Seriously. >for those of you who didn't back up on the site past the photo, take a look at >the digital images in the 2 galleries, some very impressive creations. I >particularly liked http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/steve.html and >http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Studios/7411/balcony57.html Thanks for the kind words, both music and graphics are my sustinance. Regards, James http://www.geocities.com/coalstar/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:39:44 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
here are some designs. The additive patch is "Massidonia".. It is an elaboration on the additive style of sound creation, with some added elements (like a phaser) to make it enjoyable for me. Loops some notes, play & tweak... Not the average additive sounding patch.. (I'm about to go work on some infinitely evolving pads).. Kees additive patch was not used as a template, but this has a similar design (not sound though). The Germania-tester patchs are more fun, IMHO.. they are basically templates for FM creation, based on the guts of my Massidonia patch. Just connect the mixer inputs to the various FMB inputs, play with the slave synchs, mixer volume and ENV settings to create some interesting sounds (after looping some notes in a sequencer). I left one FMB input attached just to keep the patch in the FM ballpark. tester-example is just what it sounds like.. an example of a three op FM synth using the Germaniatester patch (at least I think it was 3 op.. could be wrong). I didn't knob everything (wish I could), but the few knobs I did attach are detailed in the notes of each patch. (:: mr.wik --ATTACHMENT: Massidonia.pch!
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From: the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 13:47:35 -0700
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>Heres a semi-additave patch BTW to keep everything on topic ^_^ >Content-Type: application/octet-stream; > name="FormantAdd.pch" >Content-Disposition: attachment; > filename="FormantAdd.pch" i wasn t going to send this (because i don t see any use in it), but it achieved vocalness without filters, so... -- Content-Id: <a0433012cb6d97d8d5d3b AT [24.66.200.213].0.0> Content-Type: multipart/appledouble; ↵ boundary="============_-1227260434==_D============"ATTACHMENT: %Add_a_vowel.pch!
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From: ".. [ enon ].." <fmsci AT email.msn.com>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 16:10:49 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message → Vox Continental from trey AT u.washington.edu |
Detail in the notes.. None of these synths are "basic" or ↵ "useful" or any other type of adjective you could throw at them.. NOTE: the wave-mayble patches are a stab at pseudo wavetable stuff..It dawned on me that I was on the wrong track (a complex logic switch needs to be put in place), so I just made these.. loop some notes (short and long) in a sequencer and tweak. Seq-wave and seq-wavesynch are remakes of the above with some self made oscillators. can't remeber what the difference is between them now.. I have a crap memory. Wout's lulliby (ambient noodle remix of massidonia) goes straight to the output, so cut volume before check it out (knob 5 in this patch adds a nice alternate synth to the mix.. cut it in and out ). btw- all synth patches (& this includes other list member's patches as well IMHO) sound like ass when solely played from the keyboard. I highly suggest looping sequenced notes. then again, this is just a personal preference.. --ATTACHMENT: seq-wave.pch!
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From: "S. Harrison" <trey AT u.washington.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:01:10 -0800 (PST)
| Threading: | ↑ [pch] synths from fmsci AT email.msn.com • This Message → Vox Continental (patch) from trey AT u.washington.edu |
*From "S. Harrison" <trey AT u.washington.edu> I'm trying to create a modular patch that sounds like a Vox Continental. Seems like this might have already been done - anybody got some old combo organ sounds, perhaps even the vox? thanks, trey ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "S. Harrison" <trey AT u.washington.edu>
Date: Sat, 17 Mar 2001 14:49:45 -0800 (PST)
| Threading: | ↑ Vox Continental from trey AT u.washington.edu • This Message |
So here's my attempt. I got some information browsing the web as to the structure of the instrument, and was also lucky enough to find a sample to try to approximate. Sounds pretty good I think - certainly believable, anyway. Sorry for posting as a .zip, but whenever I post .pch's to the list, people complain because my mail program doesn't attach .pch's in a compatible way, apparently. So have fun, do your remix of the Brady Bunch theme or some of the old Doors tunes (my interest in the Vox Continental is due to the use of it by the Doors. next I'll look at the Gibson 101 or.. something like that) trey --ATTACHMENT: vox.zip!
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From: David Evans <dfevans AT bbcr.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 13:44:23 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From David Evans <dfevans AT bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> On Sat, Mar 17, 2001 at 11:50:37AM +0100, Andreas Gaunitz wrote: > > I've been reading up on inharmonic > sounds lately (when studying cymbal synthesizing) and according to > some sources you need to add inharmonic frequencies to get the noisy > metallic sound of a crash cymbal. Very true. It's quite handy to have non-harmonic partials available, which is something that I never liked about the K-5m. > Anyhow it's difficult to picture what harmonics need to > be used to make a certain sound. This could be avoided by sampling a > sound that is pretty much like the one you want and applying FFT to > it to get its harmonic sinewaves. Then you could edit each sinewave. > Unfortunately this will feel pretty much like applying EQ to the > sound, instead of actually synthesizing. It's not all that bad once you start editing the envelopes of each harmonic. You can get some fairly substantial timbral changes that don't "feel" ↵ like EQ at all. However it's still a hard thing to master. I haven't spent nearly enough time with this. > I once began writing an FFT > applcation to port samples to the Kawai K5, but there were 2 problems > that made me quit: 1) You can't decide the phase of the sinewaves on > the K5 and 2) 64 harmonics is not much when you want sounds that are > longer than 1 cycle AT 20 Hz, for example a drum loop. Agreed. It also helps a lot to have complex envelopes. The Acxel has 128-point envelopes for both oscillator pitch and amplitude. > b) To make a sound that varies over time with Additive, you don't > need envelopes. True, though you need pretty successful low-frequency reproduction on your output device to make this work. > Yamaha FM synths: Putting the operators in paralell yields a flexible > sine bank with control over pitches and volumes and possibly even > some unorthodox feedback. Operator pairs can also be thought of as "additive shorthand", ↵ allowing you to create various harmonic spectra quickly. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans AT ↵ bbcr.uwaterloo.ca PhD Student, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the ↵ composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 ↵ Manual ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 20:30:12 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message → Re: Additive Synthesis (...long) from youn0394 AT umn.edu → [PCH] Re: Additive Synthesis from blommoo AT wanadoo.nl → Re: [PCH] Additive Synthesis from tiar AT canamcomputers.com |
*From the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com> > > Agreed. It also helps a lot to have complex envelopes. The Acxel has >128-point envelopes for both oscillator pitch and amplitude. the what? -- /| |\ http://members.home.net/pedro.monkeyfinger/ |/| ftp://quixot.rug.ac.be/MP%26G_999.dbh%21/monkeyfinger/ / | | / |/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: David Evans <dfevans AT bbcr.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Sun, 18 Mar 2001 23:47:36 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From David Evans <dfevans AT bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> On Sun, Mar 18, 2001 at 08:30:12PM -0700, the finger wrote: > > > > Agreed. It also helps a lot to have complex envelopes. The Acxel ↵ has > >128-point envelopes for both oscillator pitch and amplitude. > > the what? > The Technos Acxel Resynthesizer. There's more info on it at http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/studio/acxel/ -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans AT ↵ bbcr.uwaterloo.ca PhD Student, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the ↵ composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 ↵ Manual ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: EggyToast <youn0394 AT umn.edu>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 00:23:31 -0600
| Threading: | ↑ Re: Additive Synthesis (...long) from pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com • This Message |
*From EggyToast <youn0394 AT umn.edu> Thanks for the link - it looks crazy. However, you forgot your /~dfevans/ :D making it http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/studio/acxel/ cheers, /derek > The Technos Acxel Resynthesizer. There's more info on it at >http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/studio/acxel/ > > >-- >David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans AT ↵ bbcr.uwaterloo.ca >PhD Student, Computer/Synth Junkie ↵ http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ >University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the ↵ composer >Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 ↵ Manual >________________________________________________________ >The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO >http://www.wizoo.com ------- eggytoast.com ------- now updated daily ------- ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Wout Blommers <blommoo AT wanadoo.nl>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:22:28 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: Additive Synthesis (...long) from pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com • This Message |
Hi, Don't forget the Morph... Wout --ATTACHMENT: AdditiveSynth.pch!
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From: David Evans <dfevans AT bbcr.uwaterloo.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 08:00:39 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Additive Synthesis from swolfe AT spindlex.com • This Message |
*From David Evans <dfevans AT bbcr.uwaterloo.ca> On Mon, Mar 19, 2001 at 12:23:31AM -0600, EggyToast wrote: > *From EggyToast <youn0394 AT umn.edu> > Thanks for the link - it looks crazy. However, you forgot your > /~dfevans/ :D making it http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/studio/acxel/ > Oops--I must have been sleepy. -- David Evans (NeXTMail/MIME OK) dfevans AT ↵ bbcr.uwaterloo.ca PhD Student, Computer/Synth Junkie http://bbcr.uwaterloo.ca/~dfevans/ University of Waterloo "Default is the value selected by the ↵ composer Ontario, Canada overridden by your command." - Roland TR-707 ↵ Manual ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "thierry rochebois" <tiar AT canamcomputers.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:13:28 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: Additive Synthesis (...long) from pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com • This Message → Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com → Was Additive Synthesis-> Fourier Series Implementation from dodo AT mindspring.com |
Additive syntesis can be useful for "modal" synthesis. It is based on resonant modes of instruments. This basic exemple uses the first modes of a circular membrane. These modes are not harmonic (but their frequencies are mathematically defined) and their amplitudes depend on the position of the impact. Here, the amplitudes are pseudo-random, a good model would include a relationship between the modes and the axial distance of the impact... Many musical scales are derived from modes... Regards, Thierry Rochebois http://www.calexium.com --ATTACHMENT: modal.pch!
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From: "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 22:23:07 -0600
| Threading: | ↑ Re: [PCH] Additive Synthesis from tiar AT canamcomputers.com • This Message → Re: Pitch Shifting from jjclark AT videotron.ca → Re: Pitch Shifting from pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com → RE: Pitch Shifting from DavidLacey AT launch.com → RE: Pitch Shifting from StevenT AT argonaut.com → Re: Pitch Shifting from Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl → RE: Pitch Shifting from DavidLacey AT launch.com → Re: Pitch Shifting from tendril AT freaktornado.com |
*From "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> Over the weekend my friend and i were up to some buffoonery and tried to make the modular pitch shift our voices through the inputs with no luck. Does anyone have any hints? Or would this require too much realtime processing? thanks Kris ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "James Clark" <jjclark AT videotron.ca>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 12:12:09 -0500
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message |
*From "James Clark" <jjclark AT videotron.ca> There have been a number of good pitch shifter patches posted. I don't have any of them here at work, but you can check the archives. They are not perfect, and have clicks and stuff, but they do shift your voice (or music) up and down. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> To: <modular-list AT wizoo.com> Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 11:23 PM Subject: Pitch Shifting > *From "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> > Over the weekend my friend and i were up to some buffoonery and tried to > make the modular pitch shift our voices through the inputs with no luck. > Does anyone have any hints? Or would this require too much realtime > processing? > thanks > Kris > > ________________________________________________________ > The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO > http://www.wizoo.com ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 10:16:42 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message |
*From the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com> there s been a bunch of pitch shifters through here http://threader.ecs.soton.ac.uk/attachments/nord_modular/ -- /| |\ http://members.home.net/pedro.monkeyfinger/ |/| ftp://quixot.rug.ac.be/MP%26G_999.dbh%21/monkeyfinger/ / | | / |/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Lacey, David" <DavidLacey AT launch.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 09:23:45 -0800
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message → silly RE: Pitch Shifting from pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com |
*From "Lacey, David" <DavidLacey AT launch.com> Theres just not enough delay available in the nord (unless maybe by using 3 slots in an out->in->out->in->out configuration?) I tried once too, envisioning several delay lines that cycled through loading stages (where they are fed by the audio in) then pitched up or down to match the shift. I probably screwed up the logic anyway, but mostly I think you need larger delay lines to make it work. I got some interesting distortions though... wonder if those patches are still in my NM? Wish I had a nord at work so I could check. We should add a 'How do I get the accounting department to let me expense a Micro Modular for use at work?' section to the FAQ in progress.... -DL -----Original Message----- *From "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> Over the weekend my friend and i were up to some buffoonery and tried to make the modular pitch shift our voices through the inputs with no luck. Does anyone have any hints? Or would this require too much realtime processing? thanks Kris ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Steven Taylor <StevenT AT argonaut.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:55:34 -0000
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message |
*From Steven Taylor <StevenT AT argonaut.com> > Wish I had a nord at work so I could check. We should add a > 'How do I get > the accounting department to let me expense a Micro Modular for use at > work?' section to the FAQ in progress.... definitely.. So many times ive started writing a patch with just the editor (and no hardware) to answer a list question... and then given up 5 mins later thinking 'what the hell am I doing????!!' :) Steve ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Kees van der Maarel <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 21:11:39 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message |
*From Kees van der Maarel <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl> Kris Northern wrote: > > *From "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> > Over the weekend my friend and i were up to some buffoonery and tried to > make the modular pitch shift our voices through the inputs with no luck. > Does anyone have any hints? Or would this require too much realtime > processing? > thanks > Kris > Hi Chris, I made a pitch shifter about half a year ago. It can be found here: http://threader.ecs.soton.ac.uk/attachments/nord_modular/KvdMPitchChange.pch Use knob 3 to shift the pitch up or down. Greetings, Kees. -- Very funny, Scotty... now beam down my clothes! E-mail: mailto:maarel AT caiw.nl ICQ nummer: 289859 Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~maarel/ Mirror site: http://members.xoom.com/keesvdm/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Lacey, David" <DavidLacey AT launch.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 13:22:30 -0800
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message |
*From "Lacey, David" <DavidLacey AT launch.com> Cool, that looks like what I was trying to do. I can't wait to try it out! -DL -----Original Message----- From: Kees van der Maarel [mailto:Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl] Sent: Monday, March 19, 2001 3:12 PM To: modular-list AT wizoo.com Subject: Re: Pitch Shifting *From Kees van der Maarel <Kees.van.der.Maarel AT caiw.nl> Kris Northern wrote: > > *From "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> > Over the weekend my friend and i were up to some buffoonery and tried to > make the modular pitch shift our voices through the inputs with no luck. > Does anyone have any hints? Or would this require too much realtime > processing? > thanks > Kris > Hi Chris, I made a pitch shifter about half a year ago. It can be found here: http://threader.ecs.soton.ac.uk/attachments/nord_modular/KvdMPitchChange.pch Use knob 3 to shift the pitch up or down. Greetings, Kees. -- Very funny, Scotty... now beam down my clothes! E-mail: mailto:maarel AT caiw.nl ICQ nummer: 289859 Website: http://home.kabelfoon.nl/~maarel/ Mirror site: http://members.xoom.com/keesvdm/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 16:04:31 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ RE: Pitch Shifting from DavidLacey AT launch.com • This Message |
*From the finger <pedro.monkeyfinger AT home.com> >Wish I had a nord at work so I could check. We should add a 'How do I get >the accounting department to let me expense a Micro Modular for use at >work?' section to the FAQ in progress.... tried throwing a hissy fit? do everything small children do to get their parents to get stuff for them. if you were closer i d lend you my 5yr old brat of a niece. she s terrible. just do what she does - cry, scream, whine, etc =P anyone else have any ideas? -- /| |\ http://members.home.net/pedro.monkeyfinger/ |/| ftp://quixot.rug.ac.be/MP%26G_999.dbh%21/monkeyfinger/ / | | / |/ ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: tendril AT freaktornado.com
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 14:54:29 -0800
| Threading: | ↑ Pitch Shifting from knorthern AT previewport.com • This Message |
*From tendril AT freaktornado.com [Kris Northern's brain generated the following text at 10:23 PM Mon, Mar 19, 2001:] >*From "Kris Northern" <knorthern AT previewport.com> >Over the weekend my friend and i were up to some buffoonery and tried to >make the modular pitch shift our voices through the inputs with no luck. >Does anyone have any hints? Or would this require too much realtime >processing? >thanks >Kris There's a patch (I believe it's a preset) called "Shift-o-mania" ↵ (#554 on my NM)...it does pitch shifting of audio input...quite fun Ed ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Smith <dodo AT mindspring.com>
Date: Mon, 19 Mar 2001 18:12:07 -0800
| Threading: | ↑ Re: [PCH] Additive Synthesis from tiar AT canamcomputers.com • This Message |
*From Smith <dodo AT mindspring.com> on 3/19/01 5:13 AM, thierry rochebois at tiar AT canamcomputers.com wrote: > Additive syntesis can be useful for "modal" synthesis. It is ↵ based on > resonant modes of instruments. > This basic exemple uses the first modes of a circular membrane. > These modes are not harmonic (but their frequencies are mathematically > defined) and their amplitudes depend on the position of the impact. > Here, the amplitudes are pseudo-random, a good model would include > a relationship between the modes and the axial distance of the impact... > > Many musical scales are derived from modes... > > Regards, > > Thierry Rochebois > http://www.calexium.com > My differential equations book had a solution of the wave equation that gave the frequencies and amplitudes for the partials of a drum head. Their amplitudes were functions of the position of where the stick hit the head. There were also constants describing the head and the stick used to hit it. I used the solution in a NM patch, but it was nothing special. Better inharmonic results could be had with FM synthesis. This lead me to thinking... I'm not familiar with C Sound except a few tutorials I read. Would it be possible to use it or maybe a Kyma to create a set of partials based on a Fourier series? I figured it might lead to some fairly realistic sounds. It might even be possible to implement a simplified, albeit useful, version on the modular. I'm not even sure where to begin, though. Guess I should review those partial diff eq notes. Derek Smith ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com