From: Wout Blommers <blommoo AT casema.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:30:18 +0200
| Threading: | ↑ anyone using keykit? from cjamison AT harland.net • This Message → RE: anyone using keykit? from RolandKuit AT Koorenhuis.nl → Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com → Re: anyone using keykit? from vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com → Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com |
*From Wout Blommers <blommoo AT casema.net> cjamison AT harland.net wrote: > "I will, or rather, I have. See ↵ http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif > for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord > Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by > that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, > allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. > One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." > > Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? > > I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I > never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user > interfaces scare me off.. I was looking for something to randomise Patches. I did found KeyKit, but I never tried it out. Then I lost the complete program. Can you give me the URL were I can find KeyKit again? Wout Blommers. (BTW I am on the KeyKit #list, but that gives no answer) ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Roland Kuit <RolandKuit AT Koorenhuis.nl>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:14:10 +0200
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from blommoo AT casema.net • This Message |
*From Roland Kuit <RolandKuit AT Koorenhuis.nl> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Wout Blommers [mailto:blommoo AT casema.net] Verzonden: woensdag 28 april 1999 8:30 Aan: modular-list AT wizoo.com Onderwerp: Re: anyone using keykit? *From Wout Blommers <blommoo AT casema.net> cjamison AT harland.net wrote: > "I will, or rather, I have. See http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif > for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord > Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by > that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, > allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. > One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize operation." > > Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? > > I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I > never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user > interfaces scare me off.. I was looking for something to randomise Patches. I did found KeyKit, but I never tried it out. Then I lost the complete program. Can you give me the URL were I can find KeyKit again? Wout Blommers. (BTW I am on the KeyKit #list, but that gives no answer) ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com <http://www.wizoo.com> Hello Wout, You can find Keykit at http://209.233.20.72/keykit/ <http://209.233.20.72/keykit/> Greetings, Roland ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:57:23 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from blommoo AT casema.net • This Message |
*From "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com> > *From cjamison AT harland.net > > "I will, or rather, I have. See ↵ http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif > for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord > Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by > that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, > allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. > One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." > > Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? > > I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I > never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user > interfaces scare me off. > > --charley Nice response. Do you know how long it takes to write this software? Spend a bit of time and work it out. "Programs without simple user ↵ interfaces" generally don't have any functions worth using. My guess is that you only using the Nord Modular software because there's a manual, and it cost you some cash. Oh yeah - and simple user interfaces are hard to write when people don't give you feedback on your software to tell you what they want making simpler. And if you don't even download & use it, how can you give the author any feedback for him to make it better? QED. BTW, I'm only ranting because I had this experience with software I released recently. :-) Jeremy. ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:59:00 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from blommoo AT casema.net • This Message |
*From "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com> You're being a bit harsh. I have used both MAX and keykit. And while I'd say max is no picnic I still give it the nod over keykit. Keykit is obtuse, and yes I've downloaded it and used it. In my opinion, keykit, while powerful, is a typical "academic" product suffering from strange user inteface conventions that could be vastly improved while still maintaing the power of the product. Peace Daryl >*From "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com> >> *From cjamison AT harland.net >> >> "I will, or rather, I have. See ↵ http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif >> for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord >> Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by >> that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the ↵ picture, >> allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. >> One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." >> >> Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? >> >> I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so ↵ I >> never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user >> interfaces scare me off. >> >> --charley > >Nice response. Do you know how long it takes to write this software? Spend >a bit of time and work it out. "Programs without simple user ↵ interfaces" >generally don't have any functions worth using. > >My guess is that you only using the Nord Modular software because there's a >manual, and it cost you some cash. > >Oh yeah - and simple user interfaces are hard to write when people don't >give you feedback on your software to tell you what they want making >simpler. And if you don't even download & use it, how can you give the >author any feedback for him to make it better? QED. > >BTW, I'm only ranting because I had this experience with software I >released recently. :-) > >Jeremy. >________________________________________________________ >The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO >http://www.wizoo.com > ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 03:19:28 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from blommoo AT casema.net • This Message → Re: anyone using keykit? from vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com → anyone using keykit? from cjamison AT harland.net → Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com → RE: anyone using keykit? from RolandKuit AT Koorenhuis.nl → Re: anyone using keykit? from vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com → Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com → Re: anyone using keykit? from vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com |
*From "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com> > *From "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com> > You're being a bit harsh. I have used both MAX and keykit. And while I'd > say max is no picnic I still give it the nod over keykit. Keykit is obtuse, > and yes I've downloaded it and used it. In my opinion, keykit, while > powerful, is a typical "academic" product suffering from strange ↵ user > inteface conventions that could be vastly improved while still maintaing the > power of the product. > > Peace > Daryl Hi. I apologised to the author and wrote him a long and crawly e-mail about how very apologetic I was. And I feel like such a fool - I've never even *seen* Keykit, so perhaps I too would be confused by it. An example of my own user interface is at: http://www2.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/softsid/softsid.zip And it consists of a bunch of sliders and checkboxes, maybe very easy to use. Jeremy. ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:07:45 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message |
*From "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com> >Hi. > >I apologised to the author and wrote him a long and crawly e-mail about how >very apologetic I was. > >And I feel like such a fool - I've never even *seen* Keykit, so perhaps I >too would be confused by it. An example of my own user interface is at: Yeah, I think so, that's funny. It is truly dificult to use, you MUST read the manual and have it handy until you get comfortable with it. > >http://www2.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/softsid/softsid.zip > >And it consists of a bunch of sliders and checkboxes, maybe very easy to >use. > It's not hard to use. I can see why people might give you grief over it, however, it is not really "modern" as far as slider/checkbox user ↵ interfaces go. It is also very tight. to improve it consider using some custom knob/slider controls and spread it out over more screen area. Peace Daryl ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: cjamison AT harland.net
Date: Tue, 27 Apr 1999 19:13:41 -0400
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message → Re: anyone using keykit? from blommoo AT casema.net → Re: anyone using keykit? from blommoo AT casema.net |
*From cjamison AT harland.net "I will, or rather, I have. See http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user interfaces scare me off. --charley ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 03:57:23 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message |
*From "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com> > *From cjamison AT harland.net > > "I will, or rather, I have. See ↵ http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif > for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord > Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by > that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, > allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. > One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." > > Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? > > I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I > never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user > interfaces scare me off. > > --charley Nice response. Do you know how long it takes to write this software? Spend a bit of time and work it out. "Programs without simple user ↵ interfaces" generally don't have any functions worth using. My guess is that you only using the Nord Modular software because there's a manual, and it cost you some cash. Oh yeah - and simple user interfaces are hard to write when people don't give you feedback on your software to tell you what they want making simpler. And if you don't even download & use it, how can you give the author any feedback for him to make it better? QED. BTW, I'm only ranting because I had this experience with software I released recently. :-) Jeremy. ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Wout Blommers <blommoo AT casema.net>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 08:30:18 +0200
| Threading: | ↑ anyone using keykit? from cjamison AT harland.net • This Message |
*From Wout Blommers <blommoo AT casema.net> cjamison AT harland.net wrote: > "I will, or rather, I have. See ↵ http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif > for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord > Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by > that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, > allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. > One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." > > Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? > > I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I > never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user > interfaces scare me off.. I was looking for something to randomise Patches. I did found KeyKit, but I never tried it out. Then I lost the complete program. Can you give me the URL were I can find KeyKit again? Wout Blommers. (BTW I am on the KeyKit #list, but that gives no answer) ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: Roland Kuit <RolandKuit AT Koorenhuis.nl>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 11:14:10 +0200
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message |
*From Roland Kuit <RolandKuit AT Koorenhuis.nl> -----Oorspronkelijk bericht----- Van: Wout Blommers [mailto:blommoo AT casema.net] Verzonden: woensdag 28 april 1999 8:30 Aan: modular-list AT wizoo.com Onderwerp: Re: anyone using keykit? *From Wout Blommers <blommoo AT casema.net> cjamison AT harland.net wrote: > "I will, or rather, I have. See http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif > for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord > Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by > that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the picture, > allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. > One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize operation." > > Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? > > I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so I > never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user > interfaces scare me off.. I was looking for something to randomise Patches. I did found KeyKit, but I never tried it out. Then I lost the complete program. Can you give me the URL were I can find KeyKit again? Wout Blommers. (BTW I am on the KeyKit #list, but that gives no answer) ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com <http://www.wizoo.com> Hello Wout, You can find Keykit at http://209.233.20.72/keykit/ <http://209.233.20.72/keykit/> Greetings, Roland ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com>
Date: Wed, 28 Apr 1999 15:59:00 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message |
*From "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com> You're being a bit harsh. I have used both MAX and keykit. And while I'd say max is no picnic I still give it the nod over keykit. Keykit is obtuse, and yes I've downloaded it and used it. In my opinion, keykit, while powerful, is a typical "academic" product suffering from strange ↵ user inteface conventions that could be vastly improved while still maintaing the power of the product. Peace Daryl >*From "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com> >> *From cjamison AT harland.net >> >> "I will, or rather, I have. See ↵ http://www.nosuch.com/keykit/roller1.gif >> for a picture of the KeyKit-based tool I wrote. It reads a Nord >> Modular *.pch file and figures out what controllers are in use by >> that patch. It then builds an interface such as you see in the ↵ picture, >> allowing you to twiddle all the patch's controllers at once. >> One of the menu items in the "More" menu is a randomize ↵ operation." >> >> Is anyone using Keykit for this purpose? >> >> I took alook at the sight, but it was too confusing looking for me, so ↵ I >> never downloaded it to give it a try. Programs without simple user >> interfaces scare me off. >> >> --charley > >Nice response. Do you know how long it takes to write this software? Spend >a bit of time and work it out. "Programs without simple user ↵ interfaces" >generally don't have any functions worth using. > >My guess is that you only using the Nord Modular software because there's ↵ a >manual, and it cost you some cash. > >Oh yeah - and simple user interfaces are hard to write when people don't >give you feedback on your software to tell you what they want making >simpler. And if you don't even download & use it, how can you give the >author any feedback for him to make it better? QED. > >BTW, I'm only ranting because I had this experience with software I >released recently. :-) > >Jeremy. >________________________________________________________ >The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO >http://www.wizoo.com > ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 03:19:28 +0100
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message |
*From "Jeremy A.Smith" <jeremyasmith AT geocities.com> > *From "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT ↵ orion.safway-supply.com> > You're being a bit harsh. I have used both MAX and keykit. And while I'd > say max is no picnic I still give it the nod over keykit. Keykit is obtuse, > and yes I've downloaded it and used it. In my opinion, keykit, while > powerful, is a typical "academic" product suffering from strange ↵ user > inteface conventions that could be vastly improved while still maintaing the > power of the product. > > Peace > Daryl Hi. I apologised to the author and wrote him a long and crawly e-mail about how very apologetic I was. And I feel like such a fool - I've never even *seen* Keykit, so perhaps I too would be confused by it. An example of my own user interface is at: http://www2.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/softsid/softsid.zip And it consists of a bunch of sliders and checkboxes, maybe very easy to use. Jeremy. ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com
From: "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Apr 1999 09:07:45 -0700
| Threading: | ↑ Re: anyone using keykit? from jeremyasmith AT geocities.com • This Message |
*From "Daryl Posnett" <vinyl33 AT orion.safway-supply.com> >Hi. > >I apologised to the author and wrote him a long and crawly e-mail about ↵ how >very apologetic I was. > >And I feel like such a fool - I've never even *seen* Keykit, so perhaps I >too would be confused by it. An example of my own user interface is at: Yeah, I think so, that's funny. It is truly dificult to use, you MUST read the manual and have it handy until you get comfortable with it. > >http://www2.prestel.co.uk/lwtcdi/softsid/softsid.zip > >And it consists of a bunch of sliders and checkboxes, maybe very easy to >use. > It's not hard to use. I can see why people might give you grief over it, however, it is not really "modern" as far as slider/checkbox user ↵ interfaces go. It is also very tight. to improve it consider using some custom knob/slider controls and spread it out over more screen area. Peace Daryl ________________________________________________________ The Nord Modular Mailing List is a free service of WIZOO http://www.wizoo.com