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RE: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question

From: Subbiah Arunachalam <arun AT mssrf.res.in>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 09:58:36 +0530


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             RE: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question from cciucu AT cedu.ro
             RE: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question from juliana AT tin.it

Friends:

I am an Indian researcher and I speak for most of our colleagues in the
developing world. The copyright should remain with the author(s) of a paper
(or any intellectual or artistic product). While we publish a paper in a
journal we only give them the first right to publish.No publisher, in the
new order of things, should demand transfer of copyright (from the author to
the publisher). Please refer to the many articles written by Stevan Harnad.

Thanks and best wishes.

Arun

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From: Peter Murray [mailto:peter.j.murray AT btinternet.com]
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 4:30 PM
To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
Subject: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question


A question/issue that I think is relevant to discussions on this list, and 
that I would like to try and get some opinions, or guidance, on.

If we are talking about, and promoting, ideas of open access etc., where do 
we as a group, or individuals stand, on the issue of signing over copyright 
of their work to other organisations, eg publishers, conference organisers, 
etc? I ask as it is an issue I have faced recently, and which I feel will 
increasingly cause problems.

While we want to get discussion of open access etc into a wider forum, can 
we, morally, then say in articles where we are promoting open access that 
we will give up our copyright to the publishers etc? - or do we just 
swallow our principles?

Has anyone else faced similar situations, and how have they tackled it? - 
on the occasion in question, the conference organisers were happy for me to 
give them permission to use the materials under GNU GPL.

Cheers, Peter Murray


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RE: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question

From: "Ciprian Ciucu" <cciucu AT cedu.ro>
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2003 16:38:05 +0300


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I recently faced this issue...
I was browsing on internet and I found this e-on-line library selling my
political analysis articles. Anyone how wants to red this articles would
have to pay around 3 euros for each one. I'm gainning nothing. I publised
this articles for free in some cultural maggazine, but it was my choise.
I was angry because nobody asked me how I feel about this ideea......

Best whishes,

Ciprian Ciucu




-----Original Message-----
From: Siegfried Angerer [mailto:sseaprod AT bigpond.net.au]
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:15 PM
To: BOAI Forum
Subject: Re: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question


Greetings
Reply to "Peter Murray" <peter.j.murray AT btinternet.com>
Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:00 PM
Subject: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question

Yes! The issue raised its head throughout the Copyright discussion forum
more than 12 month ago. As an online content producer, developer, writer
etc, I faced the issue as early as 1995. The bottom line is the first
simple question you have to ask yourself - what and how much are you
prepared to give away for nothing. The second simple question is - who
else owns a stake, or can in some way make a claim on your intellectually
rights or property ( the two things are distinct and separate ) "Note in
most cases your University employer claims that the wage paid to you,
delivers an unchallengeable ownership claim and a subsequent right to
commercialise the fruits of your labour in any way it sees fit. (???) The
third simple question is - what are your own intentions - Journal articles
are often delivered for academic prestige, peer recognition and related
reasons of academic advancement, or even for the less selfless among us -
the sheer delight in furthering human knowledge. So what is it you wish to
achieve and why? Regards Siegfried Angerer Director SEA Pty Ltd (R&D
Trust - specialists in online distributed learning and teaching)



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RE: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question

From: Julia Bolton Holloway <juliana AT tin.it>
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2003 20:28:28 +0200


Threading: RE: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question from arun AT mssrf.res.in
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I had a similar experience. I found a whole volume of essays I had edited 
and published, which had then been sold back to me, including its 
electronic rights, was then being used as a 'free book' for subscribers of 
Questia. When I queried Questia they said Peter Lang gave them permission. 
But I could not find in Peter Lang who had done so. What troubles me is 
that much of its material had been so costly to obtain, permission rights 
to publish works of art, etc. Did they renegotiate all these? Which would 
be so much more expensive on the web than they are even in a book. Are we 
liable because they used them? Questia never asked my consent as copyright 
holder though a simple Google search would have found me. Like Cyprian 
Ciucu I feel authors and editors deserve the courtesy of a request for 
permission to publish. Did Oxford also give them permission to publish 
Holmes? Have others had this experience with Questia or Lang or Oxford?

http://www.questia.com/aboutQuestia/eventsn2.html gives the following:

                  The Middle Ages was once dismissively called the Dark Ages
                  and reputed to be a time fueled by superstition and 
containing
                  little cultural or intellectual advancement. Now the 
Middle Ages
                  is recognized as an important time in Western European
                  development, and one that directly led to the Renaissance 
that
                  followed.

                  Two of the following books are completely free to read in
                  their entirety from October 11, 2002, through October 18,
                  2002.

Middle Ages
    FREE BOOK!  The Oxford History of Medieval Europe
        edited by George Holmes
    FREE BOOK!  Equally in God's Image: Women in the Middle Ages
        edited by Julia Bolton Holloway, Constance S. Wright, & Joan 
Bechtold

At 16:38 31/07/03 +0300, you wrote:
>I recently faced this issue...
>I was browsing on internet and I found this e-on-line library selling my
>political analysis articles. Anyone how wants to red this articles would
>have to pay around 3 euros for each one. I'm gainning nothing. I publised
>this articles for free in some cultural maggazine, but it was my choise.
>I was angry because nobody asked me how I feel about this ideea......
>
>Best whishes,
>
>Ciprian Ciucu
>
>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Siegfried Angerer [mailto:sseaprod AT bigpond.net.au]
>Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2003 4:15 PM
>To: BOAI Forum
>Subject: Re: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question
>
>
>Greetings
>Reply to "Peter Murray" <peter.j.murray AT btinternet.com>
>Sent: Monday, July 28, 2003 9:00 PM
>Subject: [BOAI] Copyright (or left) issues, a question
>
>Yes! The issue raised its head throughout the Copyright discussion forum
>more than 12 month ago. As an online content producer, developer, writer
>etc, I faced the issue as early as 1995. The bottom line is the first
>simple question you have to ask yourself - what and how much are you
>prepared to give away for nothing. The second simple question is - who
>else owns a stake, or can in some way make a claim on your intellectually
>rights or property ( the two things are distinct and separate ) "Note 
in
>most cases your University employer claims that the wage paid to you,
>delivers an unchallengeable ownership claim and a subsequent right to
>commercialise the fruits of your labour in any way it sees fit. (???) The
>third simple question is - what are your own intentions - Journal articles
>are often delivered for academic prestige, peer recognition and related
>reasons of academic advancement, or even for the less selfless among us -
>the sheer delight in furthering human knowledge. So what is it you wish to
>achieve and why? Regards Siegfried Angerer Director SEA Pty Ltd (R&D
>Trust - specialists in online distributed learning and teaching)
>
>
>
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>
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>Exchange.
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