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[BOAI] a chronology about open access

From: marie lebert <marie.lebert AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:32:38 +0200


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Dear all:

https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/

Best regards from France,

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[BOAI] Re: [GOAL] a chronology about open access

From: Jan Velterop <velterop AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:47:45 +0100


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Nice chronology of open access. Unfortunately CC-BY-NC-SA, so itself not ful=
l open access as I would define it (though better than pay-walled, obviously=
).=20

Jan Velterop

> On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, marie lebert <marie.lebert AT gmail.com> 
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> Best regards from France,
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dir="auto"><div>Nice chronology of open access. 
Unfortunately CC-BY-NC-SA, so itself not full open access as I would define it 
(though better than pay-walled, obviously).&nbsp;<br><br>Jan 
Velterop</div><div><br>On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, marie lebert 
&lt;<a href="mailto:marie.lebert AT gmail.com">marie.lebert 
AT gmail.com</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type="cite"><div><div dir="ltr">Dear 
all:<div><br></div><div><div><a 
href="https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/">https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Best regards from France,</div><div><br></div><div>Marie</div></div><div><br></div></div>
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[GOAL] Re: [BOAI] Re: a chronology about open access

From: "Stephen Downes" <stephen AT downes.ca>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 08:34:05 -0300


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> as I would define it

 

And I would define it as *more* free than licenses thatg allow people to charge 
money for access to the document.

 

This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is limiting the 
adoption of open access.

 

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Nice chronology of open access. Unfortunately CC-BY-NC-SA, so itself not full 
open access as I would define it (though better than pay-walled, obviously). 

Jan Velterop


On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, marie lebert <marie.lebert AT gmail.com 
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Dear all:

 

https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/

 

Best regards from France,

 

Marie

 

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[GOAL] Re: [BOAI] Re: a chronology about open access

From: Jan Velterop <velterop AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 13:32:53 +0100


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"This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is 
limiting t=
he adoption of open access."

Really? Any evidence? I'd welcome it if your definition of open access found=
 universal acceptance. Would be a great step forward.=20

Jan Velterop


> On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:34, Stephen Downes <stephen AT downes.ca> 
wrote:
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> > as I would define it
> =20
> And I would define it as *more* free than licenses thatg allow people to 
c=
harge money for access to the document.
> =20
> This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is 
limiting=
 the adoption of open access.
> =20
> -- Stephen
> =20
> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.so=
ton.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jan Velterop
> Sent: June-22-15 7:48 AM
> To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
> Cc: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> Subject: [BOAI] Re: [GOAL] a chronology about open access
> =20
> Nice chronology of open access. Unfortunately CC-BY-NC-SA, so itself not 
f=
ull open access as I would define it (though better than pay-walled, obvious=
ly).=20
>=20
> Jan Velterop
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> On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, marie lebert <marie.lebert AT gmail.com> 
wrote:
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> Dear all:
> =20
> https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/
> =20
> Best regards from France,
> =20
> Marie
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oton.ac.uk">boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> [<a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-f=
orum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk">mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>]=
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June-22-15 7:48 AM<br><b>T=
o:</b> Global Open Access List (Successor of 
AmSci)<br><b>Cc:</b> <a href=3D=
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self not full open access as I would define it (though better than pay-walle=
d, obviously).&nbsp;<br><br>Jan 
Velterop<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D=
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22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, mar=
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logy/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p 
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[GOAL] Re: [BOAI] Re: Re: Re: a chronology about open access

From: "Stephen Downes" <stephen AT downes.ca>
Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2015 11:06:43 -0300


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Hiya,

 

Please note that I am not proposing that one specific license be adopted. 
Different open access initiatives have different needs; the evidence for this 
is that Creative Commons developed a suite of licenses, and that a significant 
number of them (arguably a majority) have opted for a NC license. See 
http://www.tandf.co.uk/journals/explore/open-access-survey-june2014.pdf 

 

It is the original proposition that needs evidence to support it. The assertion 
that CC-BY-NC-SA does not count as full open access is contentious. The 
assertion does not represent existing practice nor a majority view. The 
assertion is a proposal for narrowing the scope of what counts as open access. 
There is, in my view, no good reason to support this assertion. It should be 
rejected.

 

-- Stephen

 

 

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Subject: [BOAI] Re: [GOAL] Re: Re: a chronology about open access

 

"This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is 
limiting the adoption of open access."

 

Really? Any evidence? I'd welcome it if your definition of open access found 
universal acceptance. Would be a great step forward. 

 

Jan Velterop

 


On 22 Jun 2015, at 12:34, Stephen Downes <stephen AT downes.ca> wrote:

> as I would define it

 

And I would define it as *more* free than licenses thatg allow people to charge 
money for access to the document.

 

This sort of insistence on One Special License is exactly what is limiting the 
adoption of open access.

 

-- Stephen

 

From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Jan Velterop
Sent: June-22-15 7:48 AMYou are the one with a very specific definition of open 
access to propose
To: Global Open Access List (Successor of AmSci)
Cc: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
Subject: [BOAI] Re: [GOAL] a chronology about open access

 

Nice chronology of open access. Unfortunately CC-BY-NC-SA, so itself not full 
open access as I would define it (though better than pay-walled, obviously). 

Jan Velterop


On 22 Jun 2015, at 10:32, marie lebert <marie.lebert AT gmail.com> wrote:

Dear all:

 

https://marielebert.wordpress.com/2015/06/20/openaccesschronology/

 

Best regards from France,

 

Marie

 

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