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Budapest Open Access Initiative: BOAI Forum Archive [BOAI] [Forum Home] [index] [options] [help]boaiforum messages[BOAI] RES: Re: a question on the nature of this groupFrom: "Gil Santos" <gilbfe AT unicamp.br>
Dear, I´m subscribed to this mailing list, and always I follow, but do not manifest. David really has every reason to talk about growth and Redalyc SciELO in Latin America, especially in Brazil. If everyone thought like that, give more importance to these bases and believe in the impact factor they are making possible to the open access journals. How librarian, in 2011 published a book that shows the sources of indexing the world. This work is available at URL: http://www.bibliotecadigital.unicamp.br/document/?code=49835 Best regards, Gildenir Carolino Santos Doctor in Education / Librarian Faculty of Education / University of Campinas (UNICAMP) e-mail: <mailto:gilbfe AT unicamp.br> gilbfe AT unicamp.br Site: <http://www.bibli.fae.unicamp.br> http://www.bibli.fae.unicamp.br De: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] Em nome de Jean-Claude Guédon Enviada em: quinta-feira, 13 de junho de 2013 10:01 Para: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk Assunto: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" science (international here meaning "core ↵ journals" as defined by Thomson-Reuters...). What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany. I am with you 120%' Carolina. Jean-Claude Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit : Hi all, In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives. I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and positions supporting local actions. What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and spicy element. Carolina -- Carolina Rossini http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com* skype: carolrossini AT carolinarossini -- To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum -- Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature comparée Université de Montréal [BOAI] RES: Re: a question on the nature of this groupFrom: "Gil Santos" <gilbfe AT unicamp.br>
Sorry. Really who spoke about the situation of bases in Latin America was Jean-Claude, not David as I cited. Best regards, Gildenir Carolino Santos Doctor in Education / Librarian Faculty of Education / University of Campinas (UNICAMP) e-mail: <mailto:gilbfe AT unicamp.br> gilbfe AT unicamp.br Site: <http://www.bibli.fae.unicamp.br> http://www.bibli.fae.unicamp.br De: Gil Santos [mailto:gilbfe AT unicamp.br] Enviada em: quinta-feira, 13 de junho de 2013 14:34 Para: 'boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk' Assunto: RES: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group Dear, I´m subscribed to this mailing list, and always I follow, but do not manifest. David really has every reason to talk about growth and Redalyc SciELO in Latin America, especially in Brazil. If everyone thought like that, give more importance to these bases and believe in the impact factor they are making possible to the open access journals. How librarian, in 2011 published a book that shows the sources of indexing the world. This work is available at URL: http://www.bibliotecadigital.unicamp.br/document/?code=49835 Best regards, Gildenir Carolino Santos Doctor in Education / Librarian Faculty of Education / University of Campinas (UNICAMP) e-mail: <mailto:gilbfe AT unicamp.br> gilbfe AT unicamp.br Site: <http://www.bibli.fae.unicamp.br> http://www.bibli.fae.unicamp.br De: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] Em nome de Jean-Claude Guédon Enviada em: quinta-feira, 13 de junho de 2013 10:01 Para: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk Assunto: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" science (international here meaning "core ↵ journals" as defined by Thomson-Reuters...). What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany. I am with you 120%' Carolina. Jean-Claude Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit : Hi all, In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives. I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and positions supporting local actions. What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and spicy element. Carolina -- Carolina Rossini http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com* skype: carolrossini AT carolinarossini -- To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum -- Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature comparée Université de Montréal [BOAI] RES: Re: a question on the nature of this groupFrom: "Gil Santos" <gilbfe AT unicamp.br>
Hello Luis. Yes, I know the researcher Tel Amiel, and now contracted researcher at UNICAMP. He did postdoctoral here in our Faculty, with my supervisor at the time he was doing his doctorate in education. But to warn you, have librarians in Brazil involved in the practice of OPEN ACCESS. Even here in Brazil is the government agency, IBICT (Instituto Brasileiro de Informação em Ciência e Tecnologia) that is implementing it since 2003. One of the first steps was the implementation of OJS (Open Journal System/PKP), translated here for Brazil as SEER "Sistema de Editoração Eletrônica de Revistas). Furthermore we are involved, which I am part of the Digital Preservation Project - LOCKSS - coordinated by IBICT. There are many fronts in the librarians are engaging yes. Now, regarding USP is unfortunate that a researcher speaking in public, denigrating the OPEN ACCESS. Let's keeping in contact. Best regards. Gildenir Carolino Santos Faculty of Education UNICAMP Campinas, SP Brazil De: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] Em nome de Carolina Rossini Enviada em: quinta-feira, 13 de junho de 2013 20:35 Para: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk Cc: luis.nunez AT redclara.net; Luis Nuñez Assunto: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group Thank you. Good to meet you Luis. Gildenir, I am Brazilian actually. But leaving in the US for the past 6 years. I am a lawyer, academic and activist on many issues concerning access to knowledge. I was part of Creative Commons Brazil and helped many journals (and also Scielo) to adopt CC. Another of my efforts that thankfully is now lead by a broader and very energetic community is the rea.net.br on open educational resources. A UNICAMP professor contributes a lot with it -Tel Amiel, it would be good if you reach out to him. In Brazil and in Latin America the Librarians have not got much involved in the politics of all of this. Sometimes I just feel this list has a lot of knowledge, but we exchange just among of us. I have an activist heart, so I think it is highly important to bring more people to the debate ... so, my question is...should this list has a "public face"...as a coalition that also supports regional ↵ activities and also responds for calls for help? For instance, in USP something really bad happened recently....The dean for research for the whole university sent internal communications to the USP community saying that folks should not publish in OA because OA is a scam (!!!!!!)...his allegations were based on the Nature article (and of course, were totally without context) http://www.nature.com/news/predatory-publishers-are-corrupting-open-access-1 .11385 This is REALLY bad, but nobody has done much about it. It would be great to have a BOAI coalition that help in this cases by providing minds and words to help clarify such issues and publish statements in the name of OA. Carol On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Françoise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com> wrote: A very active OA defensor in Latin America is LUIS NUÑEZ from the University of The Andes (Mérida, Venezuela) who also works in Bucaramanga (Universidad Industrial de Santander. Bucaramanga. Colombia). You could get in touch with him at luis.nunez AT redclara.net or nunez AT ula.ve Françoise Salager-Meyer Facultad de Medicina Universidad de Los Andes Mérida Venezuela *** Greetings from Vancouver Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef. For example, http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159 <http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3> &opcion=3 Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me. Kevin Kevin Lindstrom Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian Woodward Library 2198 Health Sciences Mall University of British Columbia Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3 Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca <mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom AT ↵ ubc.ca> Voice: (604) 822-0695 <tel:%28604%29%20822-0695> scieng.library.ubc.ca _____ From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Guédon [jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca] Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" science (international here meaning "core ↵ journals" as defined by Thomson-Reuters...). What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany. I am with you 120%' Carolina. Jean-Claude Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit : Hi all, In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives. I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and positions supporting local actions. What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and spicy element. Carolina -- Carolina Rossini http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com* skype: carolrossini AT carolinarossini -- To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: <http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum -- Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature comparée Université de Montréal -- To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum -- To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum -- Carolina Rossini http://carolinarossini.net/ + 1 6176979389 *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com* skype: carolrossini AT carolinarossini [BOAI] [Forum Home] [index] [options] [help]
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