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[BOAI] a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2013 13:06:16 -0400


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Hi all,

In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I was
wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in
supporting regional policy initiatives.

I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and
positions supporting local actions.

What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional
and spicy element.

Carolina

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*carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
skype: carolrossini
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Jean-Claude =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gu=E9don?= <jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 09:00:36 -0400


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Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the
North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale -
how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO
and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex?
Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? -
and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would
support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local
actions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential
world impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole
fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as
the only site of "international" science (international here meaning
"core journals" as defined by Thomson-Reuters...).

What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than
all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch
report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that
of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil,
not Britain, or France or Germany.

I am with you 120%' Carolina.

Jean-Claude



Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :

> Hi all,
> 
> 
> 
> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America,
> I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active
> role in supporting regional policy initiatives.
> 
> 
> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can
> publish statements and positions supporting local actions. 
> 
> 
> What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
> regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a
> additional and spicy element. 
> 
> 
> Carolina 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Carolina Rossini 
> 
> http://carolinarossini.net/
> + 1 6176979389
> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
> skype: carolrossini
>  AT carolinarossini
> 
> 
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Université de Montréal


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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: "Lindstrom, Kevin" <kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 16:23:18 +0000


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Greetings from Vancouver

Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences 
librarian, it appears that some journals that
are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.

For example,

http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3

Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.

Kevin


Kevin Lindstrom
Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
Woodward Library
2198 Health Sciences Mall
University of British Columbia
Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
Voice: (604) 822-0695
scieng.library.ubc.ca
________________________________
From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gudon [jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca]
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the North 
Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how long did it 
take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays 
attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by 
the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing several 
articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call with passion. 
I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one should never 
forget that their potential world impact is also great. The North Atlantic 
region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should 
not masquerade as the only site of "international" science 
(international here meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...).

What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than all the 
battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch report affects 
only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it is 
not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or 
Germany.

I am with you 120%' Carolina.

Jean-Claude



Le mercredi 12 juin 2013  13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a crit :
Hi all,


In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I was 
wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in 
supporting regional policy initiatives.


I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and 
positions supporting local actions.


What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list, regarding 
discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and spicy 
element.


Carolina


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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7oise_Salager=2DMeyer?= <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:02:49 -0430


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Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals 
(SciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 
interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin American Scientific Journals: from "Lost 
Science" to Open Access.

http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf

p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fulltext

Franoise Salager-Meyer

>***
>Greetings from Vancouver
>
>Interestingly enough, at least from the 
>perspective of an earth sciences librarian, it 
>appears that some journals that
>are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
>For example,
>
><http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3>http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3
>
>Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>Kevin Lindstrom
>Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>Woodward Library
>2198 Health Sciences Mall 
>University of British Columbia
>Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>Voice: (604) 822-0695
>scieng.library.ubc.ca
>
>From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk 
>[boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf 
>of Jean-Claude Gudon 
>[jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>
>Having tried for years to demonstrate that what 
>is going on outside the North Atlantic region of 
>the world, is significant at a world scale - how 
>long did it take for people to begin paying 
>attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays 
>attention to the 6000 journals vetted by 
>Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web 
>of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after 
>publishing several articles on this kind of 
>issues, I would support Carolina's call with 
>passion. I would simply add that local actions 
>are wonderful, but one should never forget that 
>their potential world impact is also great. The 
>North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of 
>wisdom in the scientific world, and it should 
>not masquerade as the only site of 
>"international" science (international here 
>meaning "core journals" as defined by 
>Thomson-Reuters...).
>
>What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably 
>far more significant than all the battles in 
>Britain about a silly Finch report, because the 
>Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's 
>GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it 
>is not already the case. The future lies with 
>Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.
>
>I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
>Jean-Claude
>
>
>
>Le mercredi 12 juin 2013  13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a crit :
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>>In the past few days, thinking on how to 
>>advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if 
>>the members of this list could play a more 
>>active role in supporting regional policy 
>>initiatives.
>>
>>
>>
>>I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which 
>>can publish statements and positions supporting 
>>local actions.
>>
>>
>>
>>What do you think? This would not change other 
>>roles for this list, regarding discussions on 
>>concepts and events, but would add a additional 
>>and spicy element.
>>
>>
>>
>>Carolina
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Carolina Rossini
>>
>><http://carolinarossini.net/>http://carolinarossini.net/
>>
>>+ 1 6176979389
>>*<mailto:carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com*
>>
>>skype: carolrossini
>>
>> AT carolinarossini
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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>Littrature compare Universit de Montral
>
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fran=E7oise_Salager=2DMeyer?= <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 15:11:07 -0430


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A very active OA defensor in Latin America is 
LUIS NUEZ from the University of The Andes 
(Mrida, Venezuela) who also works in Bucaramanga 
(Universidad Industrial de Santander. 
Bucaramanga. Colombia).

You could get in touch with him at

luis.nunez AT redclara.net
or
nunez AT ula.ve

Franoise Salager-Meyer
Facultad de Medicina
Universidad de Los Andes
Mrida
Venezuela

>***
>Greetings from Vancouver
>
>Interestingly enough, at least from the 
>perspective of an earth sciences librarian, it 
>appears that some journals that
>are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
>For example,
>
><http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3>http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3
>
>Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
>Kevin
>
>
>Kevin Lindstrom
>Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>Woodward Library
>2198 Health Sciences Mall 
>University of British Columbia
>Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>Voice: (604) 822-0695
>scieng.library.ubc.ca
>
>From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk 
>[boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf 
>of Jean-Claude Gudon 
>[jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>
>Having tried for years to demonstrate that what 
>is going on outside the North Atlantic region of 
>the world, is significant at a world scale - how 
>long did it take for people to begin paying 
>attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays 
>attention to the 6000 journals vetted by 
>Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web 
>of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after 
>publishing several articles on this kind of 
>issues, I would support Carolina's call with 
>passion. I would simply add that local actions 
>are wonderful, but one should never forget that 
>their potential world impact is also great. The 
>North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of 
>wisdom in the scientific world, and it should 
>not masquerade as the only site of 
>"international" science (international here 
>meaning "core journals" as defined by 
>Thomson-Reuters...).
>
>What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably 
>far more significant than all the battles in 
>Britain about a silly Finch report, because the 
>Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's 
>GDP is just about to pass that of Britain, if it 
>is not already the case. The future lies with 
>Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.
>
>I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
>Jean-Claude
>
>
>
>Le mercredi 12 juin 2013  13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a crit :
>
>>Hi all,
>>
>>
>>
>>In the past few days, thinking on how to 
>>advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if 
>>the members of this list could play a more 
>>active role in supporting regional policy 
>>initiatives.
>>
>>
>>
>>I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which 
>>can publish statements and positions supporting 
>>local actions.
>>
>>
>>
>>What do you think? This would not change other 
>>roles for this list, regarding discussions on 
>>concepts and events, but would add a additional 
>>and spicy element.
>>
>>
>>
>>Carolina
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>
>>Carolina Rossini
>>
>><http://carolinarossini.net/>http://carolinarossini.net/
>>
>>+ 1 6176979389
>>*<mailto:carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com*
>>
>>skype: carolrossini
>>
>> AT carolinarossini
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>
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>Littrature compare Universit de Montral
>
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 19:35:22 -0400


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Thank you. Good to meet you Luis.
Gildenir, I am Brazilian actually. But leaving in the US for the past 6
years.
I am a lawyer, academic and activist on many issues concerning access to
knowledge. I was part of Creative Commons Brazil and helped many journals
(and also Scielo) to adopt CC. Another of my efforts that thankfully is now
lead by a broader and very energetic community is the rea.net.br on open
educational resources. A UNICAMP professor contributes a lot with it -Tel
Amiel, it would be good if you reach out to him. In Brazil and in Latin
America the Librarians have not got much involved in the politics of all of
this.

Sometimes I just feel this list has a lot of knowledge, but we exchange
just among of us. I have an activist heart, so I think it is highly
important to bring more people to the debate ... so, my question
is...should this list has a "public face"...as a coalition that also
supports regional activities and also responds for calls for help?

For instance, in USP something really bad happened recently....The dean for
research for the whole university sent internal communications to the USP
community saying that folks should not publish in OA because OA is a scam
(!!!!!!)...his allegations were based on the Nature article (and of course,
were totally without context)
http://www.nature.com/news/predatory-publishers-are-corrupting-open-access-=
1.11385

This is REALLY bad, but nobody has done much about it. It would be great to
have a BOAI coalition that help in this cases by providing minds and words
to help clarify such issues and publish statements in the name of OA.

Carol

On Thu, Jun 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM, Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <
francoise.sm AT gmail.com> wrote:

>  A very active OA defensor in Latin America is LUIS NU=D1EZ from the
> University of The Andes (M=E9rida, Venezuela) who also works in Bucaraman=
ga
> (Universidad Industrial de Santander. Bucaramanga. Colombia).
>
> You could get in touch with him at
>
> luis.nunez AT redclara.net
> or
> nunez AT ula.ve
>
> Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
> Facultad de Medicina
> Universidad de Los Andes
> M=E9rida
> Venezuela
>
> ***
>
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D3
>
> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> Kevin Lindstrom
> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
> Woodward Library
> 2198 Health Sciences Mall
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
> Voice: (604) 822-0695
> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [
> boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=E9don [
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> *To:* boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>
> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the
> North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how
> long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why
> are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and
> after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support
> Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
> wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact =
is
> also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in
> the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of
> "international" science (international here meaning "core 
journals" as
> defined by Thomson-Reuters...).
>
> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than
> all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch
> report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that o=
f
> Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not
> Britain, or France or Germany.
>
> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
>  In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I
> was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role i=
n
> supporting regional policy initiatives.
>
>
>
>  I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and
> positions supporting local actions.
>
>
>
>  What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
> regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional
> and spicy element.
>
>
>
>  Carolina
>
>
>
>  --
>
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>
> http://carolinarossini.net/
>
> + 1 6176979389
> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>
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>
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<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Thank you. Good to meet you 
Luis. </span><=
br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span 
style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:&qu=
ot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:rgb(0,0,0)" 
lang=3D"EN-US">Gi=
ldenir, I am Brazilian actually. But leaving in the US for the past 6 years=
. </span><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<span style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">I am a lawyer, academic and 
activist on ma=
ny issues concerning access to knowledge. I was part of Creative Commons Br=
azil and helped many journals (and also Scielo) to adopt CC. Another of my =
efforts that thankfully is now lead by a broader and very energetic communi=
ty is the <a href=3D"http://rea.net.br">rea.net.br</a> on 
open educational =
resources. A UNICAMP professor contributes a lot with it -Tel Amiel, it wou=
ld be good if you reach out to him. In Brazil and in Latin America the Libr=
arians have not got much involved in the politics of all of 
this.</span><br=
 style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Sometimes I=
 just feel this list has a lot of knowledge, but we exchange just among of =
us. I have an activist heart, so I think it is highly important to bring mo=
re people to the debate ... so, my question is...should this list has a 
&qu=
ot;public face&quot;...as a coalition that also supports regional 
activitie=
s and also responds for calls for help?</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)=
">
<br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">For instanc=
e, in USP something really bad happened recently....The dean for research f=
or the whole university sent internal communications to the USP community s=
aying that folks should not publish in OA because OA is a scam (!!!!!!)...h=
is allegations were based on the Nature article (and of course, were totall=
y without context)</span> <a 
href=3D"http://www.nature.com/news/predatory-p=
ublishers-are-corrupting-open-access-1.11385">http://www.nature.com/news/pr=
edatory-publishers-are-corrupting-open-access-1.11385</a><br 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">This is REA=
LLY bad, but nobody has done much about it. It would be great to have a BOA=
I coalition that help in this cases by providing minds and words to help cl=
arify such issues and publish statements in the name of OA.</span><br 
style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">
<br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Carol</span=
><br style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><div style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)" class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jun 
13, 2013 at 3:41 PM=
, Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:francoi=
se.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wr=
ote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>
<div>A very active OA defensor in Latin America is LUIS NU=D1EZ from
the University of The Andes (M=E9rida, Venezuela) who also works in
Bucaramanga (Universidad Industrial de Santander. Bucaramanga.
Colombia).</div>
<div><br></div>
<div>You could get in touch with him at</div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a href=3D"mailto:luis.nunez AT redclara.net" 
target=3D"_blank">luis.nune=
z AT redclara.net</a></div>
<div>or</div>
<div><a href=3D"mailto:nunez AT ula.ve" 
target=3D"_blank">nunez AT ula.ve</a></di=
v>
<div><br></div>
<div>Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer</div>
<div>Facultad de Medicina</div>
<div>Universidad de Los Andes</div>
<div>M=E9rida</div>
<div>Venezuela</div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">***<div 
class=3D"im"><br>
Greetings from Vancouver<br>
<br>
Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth
sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that<br>
are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.<br>
<br>
For example,<br>
<br>
<a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&a=
mp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRe=
v.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc<span></span>ion=3D3</a><br>
<br>
Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn&#39;t really surprise 
me.<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
</div></blockquote><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
size=3D"-1">Kevin Lindstrom<br>
Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian<br>
Woodward Library<br>
2198 Health Sciences Mall=A0<br>
University of British Columbia<br>
Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">Email:k=
evin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca</a><br>
Voice: <a href=3D"tel:%28604%29%20822-0695" 
value=3D"+16048220695" target=
=3D"_blank">(604) 822-0695</a><br>
<a href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">scieng.library.u=
bc.ca</a></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<hr></blockquote>
</div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"-1"><div clas=
s=3D"im"><b>From:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk"=
 target=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>
[<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">bo=
ai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=E9don
[<a href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.=
claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">=
boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
</div><b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of 
this
group</font><br>
</blockquote><div class=3D"im">
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Having tried for years to demonstrate
that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world,
is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to
begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention
to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by
the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich&#39;s? - and after publishing
several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina&#39;s
call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world
impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount
of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the
only site of &quot;international&quot; science (international here
meaning &quot;core journals&quot; as defined by
Thomson-Reuters...).<br>
<br>
What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant
than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because
the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil&#39;s GDP is just about
to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future
lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>
<br>
I am with you 120%&#39; Carolina.<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit
:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">In the past few days, thinking on how 
to
advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this
list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy
initiatives.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I was thinking of
a=A0coalition=A0of sorts, which can
publish=A0statements=A0and positions supporting local
actions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">What do you think? This would not 
change
other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and
events, but would add a additional and spicy element.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Carolina<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">--<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><b>Carolina 
Rossini</b><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a 
href=3D"http://carolinarossini.net/" target=3D=
"_blank">http://carolinarossini.net/</a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">+ 1
<a href=3D"tel:6176979389" value=3D"+16176979389" 
target=3D"_blank">6176979=
389</a><br>
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target=3D"_blank">carolina.r=
ossini AT gmail.com</a>*<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">skype:
carolrossini<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"> AT carolinarossini<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
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Professeur
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Saray_C=F3rdoba?= <saraycg AT gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2013 21:35:23 -0600


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Dear all,
Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-plat=
forms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/
which
describes the OA situation from different facets.

We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI Forum
news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997),
Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about open
access in the world (2001) these already existed.

Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south
also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open
access and to support the local and regional development.

We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa
Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.=
php/Biredial2013/ai>

Best wishes
Saray

2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>

> **
> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web of
> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin
> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>
> http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie
> ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>
> p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600
> -6/fulltext
>
> Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
>
> ***
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D3
>
> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
> Kevin
>
>
> Kevin Lindstrom
> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
> Woodward Library
> 2198 Health Sciences Mall
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
> Voice: (604) 822-0695
> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>
>  ------------------------------
>
> *From:* boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [
> boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=E9don [
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> *To:* boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>
> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the
> North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how
> long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why
> are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and
> after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support
> Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
> wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact =
is
> also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in
> the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of
> "international" science (international here meaning "core 
journals" as
> defined by Thomson-Reuters...).
>
> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than
> all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch
> report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that o=
f
> Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not
> Britain, or France or Germany.
>
> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>
> Hi all,
>
>
>
>  In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I
> was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role i=
n
> supporting regional policy initiatives.
>
>
>
>  I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and
> positions supporting local actions.
>
>
>
>  What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
> regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional
> and spicy element.
>
>
>
>  Carolina
>
>
>
>  --
>
> *Carolina Rossini*
>
> http://carolinarossini.net/
>
> + 1 6176979389
> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>
> skype: carolrossini
>
>  AT carolinarossini
>
>
>
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> page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
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> Jean-Claude Gu=E9don Professeur titulaire Litt=E9rature compar=E9e Univer=
sit=E9 de
> Montr=E9al
>
>
>
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Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
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<div dir=3D"ltr">Dear all,<div>Latin America is a open 
access region becaus=
e open access movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here yo=
u have the Unesco&#39;s Goap=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/comm=
unication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin=
-america-and-the-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en=
/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/=
latin-america-and-the-caribbean/</a>=A0which describes the OA situation 
fro=
m different facets.=A0</div>


<div><br></div><div>We have the LLAAR forum where 
someone translates to Spa=
nish the BOAI Forum news:=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/1846=
75074889032/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/</a>. Latinde=
x (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked a=
bout open access in the world (2001) these already existed.=A0</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks to C=
arolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that &quot;the south also 
ex=
ists&quot; and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open 
acces=
s and to support the local and regional development.=A0</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra">We invite y=
ou to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa Rica on next=
 October 15-17th. For more information visit:=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.bired=
ial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac=
.cr/</a></div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>Best 
wishes</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" =
style>Saray</div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote">=
2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto=
:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt;</=
span><br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 
0.8ex;border-=
left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;p=
adding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<div>Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the
web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is
entitled &quot;<font face=3D"Arial Bold" 
color=3D"#000000">Latin American
Scientific Journals: from &quot;Lost Science&quot; to Open
Access.</font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20Americ=
an%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/L=
atin%20American%20Scie</a><span></span>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20San=
chez%20Pereira.pdf</div>



<div><br></div>
<div>p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS01=
40-6736(12)61600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/artic=
le/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a><span></span>-6/fulltext</div><span><font colo=
r=3D"#888888">
<div><br></div>
<div>Fran=E7oise 
Salager-Meyer</div></font></span><div><div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">***<br>
Greetings from Vancouver<br>
<br>
Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth
sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that<br>
are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.<br>
<br>
For example,<br>
<br>
<a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&a=
mp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRe=
v.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc<span></span>ion=3D3</a><br>
<br>
Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn&#39;t really surprise 
me.<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
size=3D"-1">Kevin Lindstrom<br>
Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian<br>
Woodward Library<br>
2198 Health Sciences Mall=A0<br>
University of British Columbia<br>
Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">Email:k=
evin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca</a><br>
Voice: (604) 822-0695<br>
<a href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">scieng.library.u=
bc.ca</a></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<hr></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font face=3D"Tahoma" 
size=3D"-1" color=3D"#00000=
0"><b>From:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" targe=
t=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>
[<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">bo=
ai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=E9don
[<a href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.=
claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">=
boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this
group</font><br>
<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"-1" 
color=3D"#000000"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Having tried for years to demonstrate
that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world,
is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to
begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention
to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by
the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich&#39;s? - and after publishing
several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina&#39;s
call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world
impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount
of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the
only site of &quot;international&quot; science (international here
meaning &quot;core journals&quot; as defined by
Thomson-Reuters...).<br>
<br>
What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant
than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because
the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil&#39;s GDP is just about
to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future
lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>
<br>
I am with you 120%&#39; Carolina.<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit
:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">In the past few days, thinking on how 
to
advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this
list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy
initiatives.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I was thinking of
a=A0coalition=A0of sorts, which can
publish=A0statements=A0and positions supporting local
actions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">What do you think? This would not 
change
other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and
events, but would add a additional and spicy element.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Carolina<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">--<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><b>Carolina 
Rossini</b><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a 
href=3D"http://carolinarossini.net/" target=3D=
"_blank"><font 
color=3D"#3333FF">http://carolinarossini.net/</font></a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
color=3D"#666666">+ 1
6176979389</font><br>
<font color=3D"#666666">*</font><a 
href=3D"mailto:carolina.rossini AT gmail.co=
m" target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com</a><font color=3D"#666666">=
*</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
color=3D"#666666">skype:
carolrossini</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
color=3D"#666666"> AT carolinarossini</font><b=
r>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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--=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum,
use the form on this page:</tt> <a 
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ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum</tt></a><br>
</blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">--</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>Jean-Claude Gu=E9don 
Professeur
titulaire Litt=E9rature compar=E9e Universit=E9 de
Montr=E9al</tt></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
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=F3rdoba Gonz=E1lez<br>


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Tinoco<br>Ciudad Univer=
sitaria Rodrigo Facio<br>Tel. <a 
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25114412" target=3D"_blank">506-2511 4412</a>, <a 
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08" value=3D"+50624471908" 
target=3D"_blank">506-2447 1908</a><br>

Fax <a href=3D"tel:506-2224%209367" 
value=3D"+50622249367" target=3D"_blank=
">506-2224 9367</a><br>
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r.ac.cr</a><div><a 
href=3D"http://www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr" target=3D"_blank"=
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:42:00 -0400


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This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have OA po=
licies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually just fre=
e access (public access)...
So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all that i=
s paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, which means=
 licensed under a CC-by license ?=20
Que les parece? =20

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
wrote:

> Dear all,
> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is 
stro=
nger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap http:/=
/www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/g=
oap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes the OA=
 situation from different facets.=20
>=20
> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI 
Forum=
 news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997), Re=
dalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about open acc=
ess in the world (2001) these already existed.=20
>=20
> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the 
south a=
lso exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open 
acces=
s and to support the local and regional development.=20
>=20
> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa 
R=
ica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: http://www.biredial=
2013.ucr.ac.cr/
>=20
> Best wishes
> Saray
>=20
> 2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web 
of s=
cience, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled "Latin 
Amer=
ican Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
>>=20
>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientifi=
c%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>>=20
>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fu=
lltext
>>=20
>> Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer
>>=20
>>> ***
>>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>>=20
>>> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth 
sciences=
 librarian, it appears that some journals that
>>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>>>=20
>>> For example,
>>>=20
>>> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D=
3
>>>=20
>>> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>>>=20
>>> Kevin
>>> Kevin Lindstrom
>>> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>>> Woodward Library
>>> 2198 Health Sciences Mall=20
>>> University of British Columbia
>>> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>>> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>>> Voice: (604) 822-0695
>>> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>>> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.a=
c.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don [jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca]=

>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>>> To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>>> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on 
outside the N=
orth Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how lon=
g did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALy=
C? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are peopl=
e mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publish=
ing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call=
 with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one s=
hould never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The Nort=
h Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, a=
nd it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" 
science (int=
ernational here meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...).
>>>=20
>>> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant 
than a=
ll the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch repo=
rt affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Brita=
in, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain,=
 or France or Germany.
>>>=20
>>> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>>>=20
>>> Jean-Claude
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a 
=C3=A9cr=
it :
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin 
America, I=
 was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in s=
upporting regional policy initiatives.
>>>> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish 
statements an=
d positions supporting local actions.
>>>> What do you think? This would not change other roles for this 
list, reg=
arding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and sp=
icy element.
>>>> Carolina
>>>> --
>>>> Carolina Rossini
>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/
>>>> + 1 6176979389
>>>> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>>>> skype: carolrossini
>>>>  AT carolinarossini
>>>>         --      To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the 
form on thi=
s page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
>>> --
>>> Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don Professeur titulaire Litt=C3=A9rature 
compar=C3=A9=
e Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al
>>>=20
>>>       =20
>>> --    =20
>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page:
>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page:
>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez
> Encargada de Latindex
> Vicerrector=C3=ADa de Investigaci=C3=B3n
> Universidad de Costa Rica
> 4=C2=BA piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
> Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
> Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908
> Fax 506-2224 9367
> www.latindex.ucr.ac.cr
> www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr
> www.kerwa.ucr.ac.cr
> www.latindex.org
>=20
> --     =20
> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page:
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" 
content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>This 
is true, but if you go deeper, ou=
r universities still do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our gov=
ernments call OA are actually just free access (public 
access)...</div><div>=
So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all that i=
s paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, which means=
 licensed under a CC-by license ?&nbsp;</div><div>Que les 
parece? &nbsp;<br>=
<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 13, 2013, 
at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=
=B3rdoba &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:saraycg AT 
gmail.com">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear 
all,=
<div>Latin America is a open access region because open access movement 
is s=
tronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's 
Goap&nbs=
p;<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/port=
als-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/" 
ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/p=
ortals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/<=
/a>&nbsp;which describes the OA situation from different 
facets.&nbsp;</div>=



<div><br></div><div>We have the LLAAR forum where 
someone translates to Span=
ish the BOAI Forum news:&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/184=
675074889032/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/</a>. Latinde=
x (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked ab=
out open access in the world (2001) these already 
existed.&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks to Ca=
rolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south also 
exists" a=
nd this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open access and to supp=
ort the local and regional development.&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra">We invite yo=
u to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa Rica on next O=
ctober 15-17th. For more information visit:&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"http://www.bired=
ial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.=
cr/</a></div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>Best 
wishes</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" s=
tyle=3D"">Saray</div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span><br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 
0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<div>Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the
web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is
entitled "<font face=3D"Arial Bold" 
color=3D"#000000">Latin American
Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open
Access.</font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20America=
n%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Lat=
in%20American%20Scie</a><span></span>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanche=
z%20Pereira.pdf</div>



<div><br></div>
<div>p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS014=
0-6736(12)61600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article=
/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a><span></span>-6/fulltext</div><span><font color=3D=
"#888888">
<div><br></div>
<div>Fran=C3=A7oise 
Salager-Meyer</div></font></span><div><div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">***<br>
Greetings from Vancouver<br>
<br>
Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth
sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that<br>
are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.<br>
<br>
For example,<br>
<br>
<a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&am=
p;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.=
html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc<span></span>ion=3D3</a><br>
<br>
Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
size=3D"-1">Kevin Lindstrom<br>
Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian<br>
Woodward Library<br>
2198 Health Sciences Mall&nbsp;<br>
University of British Columbia<br>
Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">Email:ke=
vin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca</a><br>
Voice: (604) 822-0695<br>
<a href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">scieng.library.ub=
c.ca</a></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<hr></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font face=3D"Tahoma" 
size=3D"-1" color=3D"#000000=
"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces 
AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D=
"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>
[<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">boa=
i-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=C3=A9don
[<a href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.c=
laude.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT 
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Having tried for years to demonstrate
that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world,
is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to
begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention
to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by
the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing
several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's
call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world
impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount
of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the
only site of "international" science (international here
meaning "core journals" as defined by
Thomson-Reuters...).<br>
<br>
What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant
than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because
the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about
to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future
lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>
<br>
I am with you 120%' Carolina.<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">In the past few days, thinking on how 
to
advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this
list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy
initiatives.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I was thinking of
a&nbsp;coalition&nbsp;of sorts, which can
publish&nbsp;statements&nbsp;and positions supporting local
actions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">What do you think? This would not 
change
other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and
events, but would add a additional and spicy element.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Carolina<br>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Jean-Claude =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gu=E9don?= <jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 09:34:43 -0400


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Me parece muy bien,

pero...

It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good.
What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start
low-hanging fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need
to be horizons; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage
of operations.

This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged
very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.

What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority
of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as
Latindex, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear
criteria of quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going
on to explore the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La
Referencia, based on Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of
repositories. These large collections of journals (6,000 at least are
vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an autonomous scientific pole
that will engage as a regional publication in the "grand 
conversation"
of science as a counterweight to the present publishing oligarchy.
India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine developing similar
publication poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a
healthy form of internationalization.

In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and
power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such
perverse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world
will have a wonderful model to follow.

There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is
the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors
of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils
that are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people
to publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have 
garnered
high IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR). 

It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and
counterproductive. 

Jean-Claude

Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have
> OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are
> actually just free access (public access)...
> So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all
> that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration,
> which means licensed under a CC-by license ? 
> Que les parece?  
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
wrote:
> 
> 
> > Dear all,
> > 
> > Latin America is a open access region because open access movement
> > is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the
> > Unesco's
> > Goap 
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes the OA situation from different facets. 
> > 
> > 
> > We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI
> > Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/.
> > Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before
> > there was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already
> > existed. 
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that 
"the
> > south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to 
discuss
> > about open access and to support the local and regional
> > development. 
> > 
> > 
> > We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in
> > Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information
> > visit: http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/
> > 
> > Best wishes
> > Saray
> > 
> > 
> > 2013/6/13 Françoise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
> > 
> >         Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO)
> >         in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The
> >         first one is entitled "Latin American Scientific 
Journals:
> >         from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
> >         
> >         
> >         http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%
> >         20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%
> >         20Pereira.pdf
> >         
> >         
> >         
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fulltext
> >         
> >         
> >         Françoise Salager-Meyer
> >         
> >         
> >         > 
> >         > ***
> >         > Greetings from Vancouver
> >         > 
> >         > Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of 
an
> >         > earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals
> >         > that
> >         > are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and
> >         > GeoRef.
> >         > 
> >         > For example,
> >         > 
> >         > 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3
> >         > 
> >         > Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really
> >         > surprise me.
> >         > 
> >         > Kevin
> >         > 
> >         > Kevin Lindstrom
> >         > Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
> >         > Woodward Library
> >         > 2198 Health Sciences Mall 
> >         > University of British Columbia
> >         > Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
> >         > Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
> >         > Voice: (604) 822-0695
> >         > scieng.library.ubc.ca
> >         > 
> >         > 
__________________________________________________________
> >         > From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> >         > [boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of
> >         > Jean-Claude Guédon [jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
> >         > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> >         > To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> >         > Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this 
group
> >         > Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going
> >         > on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is
> >         > significant at a world scale - how long did it take for
> >         > people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> >         > RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted 
by
> >         > Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of 
Science,
> >         > SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing several
> >         > articles on this kind of issues, I would support
> >         > Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that
> >         > local actions are wonderful, but one should never forget
> >         > that their potential world impact is also great. The 
North
> >         > Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the
> >         > scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the 
only
> >         > site of "international" science (international 
here
> >         > meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...).
> >         > 
> >         > What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more
> >         > significant than all the battles in Britain about a 
silly
> >         > Finch report, because the Finch report affects only
> >         > Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of
> >         > Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies
> >         > with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.
> >         > 
> >         > I am with you 120%' Carolina.
> >         > 
> >         > Jean-Claude
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 -0400, Carolina 
Rossini a
> >         > écrit :
> >         > 
> >         > > Hi all,
> >         > > 
> >         > > 
> >         > > In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA 
in
> >         > > Latin America, I was wondering if the members of 
this
> >         > > list could play a more active role in supporting
> >         > > regional policy initiatives.
> >         > > 
> >         > > 
> >         > > I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can
> >         > > publish statements and positions supporting local
> >         > > actions.
> >         > > 
> >         > > 
> >         > > What do you think? This would not change other 
roles for
> >         > > this list, regarding discussions on concepts and 
events,
> >         > > but would add a additional and spicy element.
> >         > > 
> >         > > 
> >         > > Carolina
> >         > > 
> >         > > 
> >         > > --
> >         > > Carolina Rossini
> >         > > http://carolinarossini.net/
> >         > > + 1 6176979389
> >         > > *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
> >         > > skype: carolrossini
> >         > >  AT carolinarossini
> >         > > 
> >         > > 
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> >         > 
> >         > 
> >         > --
> >         > Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur titulaire Littérature
> >         > comparée Université de Montréal
> >         > 
> >         >        
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> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Saray Córdoba González
> > Encargada de Latindex
> > Vicerrectoría de Investigación
> > Universidad de Costa Rica
> > 4º piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
> > Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
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> > Fax 506-2224 9367
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Gabriela_Ort=FAzar?= <gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 11:05:57 -0400


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Dear all,

I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in creating a 
basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.

Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic journals, 
implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional repositories, etc..
No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have also 
contributed to this development.

Some interesting results that I share with you:
Latin American Repositories Network 
http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access to 65 
repositories, from 16 countries.

Latin America Thesis Portal
http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
Simultaneous access to 40 universities.

Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/

Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
http://libros.uchile.cl/

The south also exists !

-------------------------------------------------
Gabriela Ortzar
Director
Information Services & Library System
Universidad de Chile
Tel 56-29782584
http://www.uchile.cl
http://m.uchile.cl (mvil)

El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gudon <jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca> escribi:

> Me parece muy bien,
> 
> pero...
> 
> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. What 
is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fruits and 
move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they can be 
plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
> 
> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way. 
Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very 
recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
> 
> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority of 
journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to projects 
like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, and 
platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of quality 
are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore the 
possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redclara, 
offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collections of 
journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an 
autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication in the 
"grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the present 
publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine 
developing similar publication poles. When that is done, science will have 
achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
> 
> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power 
to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse tools 
as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a wonderful 
model to follow.
> 
> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the 
very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of Latin 
America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that are also 
the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colombia), some 
universities even offer financial incentives for people to publish in 
"international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high IF's 
in Thomson-Reuters' JCR). 
> 
> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in 
order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive. 
> 
> Jean-Claude
> 
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013  07:42 -0400, Carolina a crit :
>> 
>> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have 
OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually just 
free access (public access)...
>> So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all 
that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, which 
means licensed under a CC-by license ? 
>> Que les parece?  
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Crdoba <saraycg AT 
gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> Dear all,
>>> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement 
is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap 
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes the OA situation from different facets. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the 
BOAI Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex 
(1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about 
open access in the world (2001) these already existed. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that 
"the south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to 
discuss about open access and to support the local and regional development. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held 
in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/
>>> 
>>> Best wishes
>>> Saray
>>> 
>>> 2013/6/13 Franoise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT 
gmail.com>
>>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the 
web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fulltext
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Franoise Salager-Meyer
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> ***
>>>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>>> 
>>>> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an 
earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that
>>>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>>>> 
>>>> For example,
>>>> 
>>>> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3
>>>> 
>>>> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise 
me.
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin
>>>> 
>>>> Kevin Lindstrom
>>>> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>>>> Woodward Library
>>>> 2198 Health Sciences Mall 
>>>> University of British Columbia
>>>> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>>>> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>>>> Voice: (604) 822-0695
>>>> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>>>> 
>>>> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk 
[boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gudon 
[jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>>>> To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>> Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>>>> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on 
outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale 
- how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and 
RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are 
people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after 
publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's 
call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one 
should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The North 
Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it 
should not masquerade as the only site of "international" science 
(international here meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...).
>>>> 
>>>> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more 
significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because 
the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass 
that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, 
not Britain, or France or Germany.
>>>> 
>>>> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>>>> 
>>>> Jean-Claude
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013  13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a 
crit :
>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in 
Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more 
active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish 
statements and positions supporting local actions.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> What do you think? This would not change other roles for 
this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a 
additional and spicy element.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Carolina
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> --
>>>>> Carolina Rossini
>>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/
>>>>> + 1 6176979389
>>>>> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>>>>> skype: carolrossini
>>>>>  AT carolinarossini
>>>>> 
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Universit de Montral
>>>> 
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>>> Vicerrectora de Investigacin
>>> Universidad de Costa Rica
>>> 4 piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
>>> Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
>>> Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908
>>> Fax 506-2224 9367
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 22:30:06 -0400


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Dear all,

Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la region
y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llevar a
cabo localmente.

Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarrolar
un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible,
pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin
america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" 
pueden
ayudarnos

Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta
largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.

Hay gente de cuales paises aca?

Carolina

On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar <gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl>=
wrote:

> Dear all,
>
> I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in creatin=
g
> a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>
> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
> repositories, etc..
> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have 
also
> contributed to this development.
>
> Some interesting results that I share with you:
> Latin American Repositories Network
> http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
> developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access to
> 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>
> Latin America Thesis Portal
> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
> Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>
> Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>
> Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
> http://libros.uchile.cl/
>
> The south also exists !
>
> -------------------------------------------------
> Gabriela Ort=FAzar
> Director
> Information Services & Library System
> Universidad de Chile
> Tel 56-29782584
> http://www.uchile.cl
> http://m.uchile.cl (m=F3vil)
>
> El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> escribi=F3:
>
>  Me parece muy bien,
>
> pero...
>
> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. Wha=
t
> is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging frui=
ts
> and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they
> can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>
> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged ver=
y
> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>
> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority o=
f
> journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latinde=
x,
> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of
> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore
> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large
> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form
> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regiona=
l
> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a 
counterweight to
> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asi=
a
> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>
> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power
> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse
> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a
> wonderful model to follow.
>
> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the
> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of
> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils tha=
t
> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people t=
o
> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have 
garnered hig=
h
> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>
> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
>
> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have OA
> policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually jus=
t
> free access (public access)...
>
>  So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all
> that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration,
> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
>
>  Que les parece?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
wrote:
>
>
>   Dear all,
>
>   Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-pl=
atforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>
>
>
>   We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI
> Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex
> (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked
> about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>
>
>
>   Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the
> south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss 
about
> open access and to support the local and regional development.
>
>
>
>   We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in
> Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
> 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/inde=
x.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>
>
> Best wishes
>
>   Saray
>
>
>   2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>
>   Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web
> of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Lat=
in
> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>
>
>
>    http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scient=
ific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>
>
>
>
>    
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<h=
ttp://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>=
-6/fulltext
>
>
>
>
>    Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
>
>
>
>     ***
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opc<http:/=
/www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D3>
> 
ion=3D3<http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&op=
cion=3D3>
>
> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Lindstrom
> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
> Woodward Library
> 2198 Health Sciences Mall
> University of British Columbia
> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
> Voice: (604) 822-0695
> scieng.library.ubc.ca
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [
> boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=E9don [
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> *To:* boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the
> North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how
> long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why
> are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and
> after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support
> Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
> wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact =
is
> also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in
> the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of
> "international" science (international here meaning "core 
journals" as
> defined by Thomson-Reuters...).
>
> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than
> all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch
> report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that o=
f
> Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not
> Britain, or France or Germany.
>
> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I
> was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role i=
n
> supporting regional policy initiatives.
>
>
> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and
> positions supporting local actions.
>
>
> What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
> regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional
> and spicy element.
>
>
> Carolina
>
>
> --
> *Carolina Rossini*
> http://carolinarossini.net/
> + 1 6176979389
> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
> skype: carolrossini
>  AT carolinarossini
>
>
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>
>
> --
> Jean-Claude Gu=E9don Professeur titulaire Litt=E9rature compar=E9e Univer=
sit=E9 de
> Montr=E9al
>
>
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>
>
>
>   --
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> Encargada de Latindex
> Vicerrector=EDa de Investigaci=F3n
> Universidad de Costa Rica
> 4=BA piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
> Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
> Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908
> Fax 506-2224 9367
> www.latindex.ucr.ac.cr
>
>   www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr
>
>   www.kerwa.ucr.ac.cr
> www.latindex.org
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Dear all,<br><br>Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor 
lo que =
pasa en la region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que =
se pueda llevar a cabo localmente. <br><br>Que les parece? Hay 
candidatos v=
oluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente lo=
s responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntam=
ente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin america y saber como la gente como=
 Jean Claude y otros del &quot;norte&quot; pueden ayudarnos<br>
<br>Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. 
Es=
ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific d=
ata. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br><br>Hay gente 
de cuales=
 paises aca?<br>
<br>Carolina<br><br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:0=
5 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:gortuzar AT u=
.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br=
><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1=
px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div style=3D"word-wrap:break-word">Dear 
all,<div><br></div><div>I agree wi=
th Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in creating a basis of=
 a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br><br>Universities have 
led severa=
l initiatives:=A0optimization of academic journals, implementing=A0Creative=
 Commons, developing institutional repositories, etc..<br>
No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) =A0have 
a=
lso contributed to this development.<br><br>Some interesting 
results that I=
 share with you:<br></div><div>Latin American Repositories 
Network=A0</div>
<div><a 
href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D"_b=
lank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a></div><div>developed=
 by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access to 65 reposito=
ries, from 16 countries.<br>
<br>Latin America Thesis Portal<br><a 
href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.=
info/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a></div><div>S=
imultaneous access to 40 
universities.</div><div><br></div><div>Electronic 
=
journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
<a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.rev=
istas.uchile.cl/</a></div><div><br></div><div>Electronic books (OMP / PKP)<=
/div><div><a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://lib=
ros.uchile.cl/</a></div>
<div><br></div><div>The south also exists 
!</div><div><br></div><div><div>
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<br><div><div>El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don 
&lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.g=
uedon AT umontreal.ca</a>&gt; 
escribi=F3:</div><br><blockquote type=3D"cite">


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<div><div class=3D"im">
Me parece muy bien,<br>
<br>
pero...<br>
<br>
It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. What =
is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fruits=
 and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they c=
an be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.<br>

<br>
This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way. Lo=
ok at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very re=
cently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>
<br>
What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority of =
journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to projec=
ts like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, and p=
latforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of quality=
 are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore the poss=
ibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redclara, =
offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collections =
of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for =
an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication in=
 the &quot;grand conversation&quot; of science as a counterweight to 
the pr=
esent publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can im=
agine developing similar publication poles. When that is done, science will=
 have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.<br>

<br>
In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power t=
o create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse too=
ls as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a wonder=
ful model to follow.<br>

<br>
There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the v=
ery fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of Lati=
n America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that are =
also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colombia), s=
ome universities even offer financial incentives for people to publish in 
&=
quot;international&quot; journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high 
IF=
&#39;s in Thomson-Reuters&#39; JCR). <br>

<br>
It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in orde=
r to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive. 
<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
</div><blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have =
OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually ju=
st free access (public access)...
</blockquote><div><div class=3D"h5">
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all =
that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, whic=
h means licensed under a CC-by license ?=A0
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    Que les parece? =A0<br>
    <br>
    Sent from my iPhone
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <br>
    On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:sar=
aycg AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
    <br>
    <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        Dear all,
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        Latin America is a open access region because open access movement =
is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the 
Unesco&#39;s=
 Goap=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-informati=
on/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribb=
ean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-info=
rmation/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-c=
aribbean/</a>=A0which describes the OA situation from different 
facets.=A0
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOA=
I Forum news:=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/=
" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/</a>. L=
atindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was ta=
lked about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.=A0
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that 
&quo=
t;the south also exists&quot; and this BOAI Forum is the best site to 
discu=
ss about open access and to support the local and regional development.=A0
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in=
 Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:=A0<a href=
=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai" 
target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <br>
        Best wishes
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        Saray
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:francoise=
.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt;
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in t=
he web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled=
 &quot;<font>Latin American Scientific Journals: from &quot;Lost 
Science&qu=
ot; to Open Access.</font>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <br>
            <br>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%2=
0American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docu=
ments/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%2=
0Pereira.pdf
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <br>
            <br>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article=
/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/journals/l=
ancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <br>
            <br>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=E7oise 
Salager-Meyer</font>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <br>
            <br>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
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    <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
        <blockquote>
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                ***<br>
                Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                <br>
                Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an e=
arth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that<br>
                are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoR=
ef.<br>
                <br>
                For example,<br>
                <br>
                <a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html=
?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latindex.unam.m=
x/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc</a><a 
href=3D"http://www.latin=
dex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_b=
lank">ion=3D3</a><br>

                <br>
                Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn&#39;t really 
sur=
prise me.<br>
                <br>
                Kevin<br>
                <br>
                <font>Kevin Lindstrom</font><br>
                <font>Physical Sciences and Engineering 
Librarian</font><br=
>
                <font>Woodward Library</font><br>
                <font>2198 Health Sciences Mall=A0</font><br>
                <font>University of British 
Columbia</font><br>
                <font>Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 
1Z3</font><br>
                <font><a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom 
AT ubc.ca" tar=
get=3D"_blank">Email:kevin.lindstrom AT 
ubc.ca</a></font><br>
                <font>Voice: <a 
href=3D"tel:%28604%29%20822-0695" value=3D"=
+16048220695" target=3D"_blank">(604) 
822-0695</a></font><br>
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href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca/" target=3D"_=
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               =20
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<br>
                
<b><font>From:</font></b><font><font> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boa=
i-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.s=
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behalf of Jean-Clau=
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target=3D"_=
blank">jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca</a>]</font></font><br>

                
<b><font>Sent:</font></b><font><font> 
Thursday, June 13, 20=
13 6:00 AM</font></font><br>
                
<b><font>To:</font></b><font><font> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-=
forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a></fo=
nt></font><br>
                
<b><font>Subject:</font></b><font><font> 
[BOAI] Re: a quest=
ion on the nature of this group</font></font><br>
                Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on=
 outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world =
scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both S=
ciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latind=
ex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and 
Ulrich&#39;=
s? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would =
support Carolina&#39;s call with passion. I would simply add that local 
act=
ions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world =
impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wi=
sdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site=
 of &quot;international&quot; science (international here meaning 
&quot;cor=
e journals&quot; as defined by Thomson-Reuters...).<br>

                <br>
                What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more sign=
ificant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because=
 the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil&#39;s GDP is just about 
t=
o pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with=
 Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>

                <br>
                I am with you 120%&#39; Carolina.<br>
                <br>
                Jean-Claude<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <br>
                Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini =
a =E9crit :<br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Hi all,<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in =
Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a mor=
e active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    I was thinking of a=A0coalition=A0of sorts, which can p=
ublish=A0statements=A0and positions supporting local actions.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    What do you think? This would not change other roles fo=
r this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a =
additional and spicy element.<br>
                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Carolina<br>
                    <br>
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Jean-Claude =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Gu=E9don?= <jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 10:35:47 -0400


Threading: [BOAI] a question on the nature of this group from carolina.rossini AT gmail.com
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What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this
goal. It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the
ground. And the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to
manage the operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the
ground. These people can be identified rather quickly in many LA
countries. Making these people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few
days would be a wonderful way to kick things off. A foundation could
fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, they could share
experiences and best practices, and they could design a collective
strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has
been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.

Just my two cents' worth.

jc

Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a écrit :

> Dear all,
> 
> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se
> pueda llevar a cabo localmente. 
> 
> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas
> sensillo posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede
> avanzar en OA en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude
> y otros del "norte" pueden ayudarnos
> 
> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil.
> Esta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open
> scientific data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. 
> 
> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
> 
> Carolina
> 
> 
> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ortúzar
> <gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl> wrote:
> 
>         Dear all,
>         
>         
>         
>         I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages
>         in creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>         
>         Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of
>         academic journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing
>         institutional repositories, etc..
>         No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)
>          have also contributed to this development.
>         
>         Some interesting results that I share with you:
>         
>         Latin American Repositories Network 
>         http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>         developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous
>         access to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>         
>         Latin America Thesis Portal
>         http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>         Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>         
>         
>         Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
>         http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>         
>         
>         Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>         http://libros.uchile.cl/
>         
>         
>         The south also exists !
>         
>         
>         -------------------------------------------------
>         Gabriela Ortúzar
>         Director
>         
>         Information Services & Library System
>         Universidad de Chile
>         Tel 56-29782584
>         
>         http://www.uchile.cl
>         
>         http://m.uchile.cl (móvil)
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         
>         El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Guédon
>         <jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> escribió:
>         
>         
>         
>         > Me parece muy bien,
>         > 
>         > pero...
>         > 
>         > It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy
>         > of good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that
>         > could start low-hanging fruits and move forward from there.
>         > Objectives do not need to be horizons; they can be plateaus
>         > that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>         > 
>         > This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly
>         > leads the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national
>         > repository that emerged very recently. Argentina has already
>         > moved on this. Etc. etc.
>         > 
>         > What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a
>         > large majority of journals in Latin America are located
>         > within universities. Thanks to projects like OJS, they are
>         > fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, and
>         > platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear
>         > criteria of quality are accelerating the process.
>         > Discussions are going on to explore the possibility of
>         > creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
>         > Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories.
>         > These large collections of journals (6,000 at least are
>         > vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an autonomous
>         > scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication
>         > in the "grand conversation" of science as a 
counterweight to
>         > the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and
>         > South-East Asia can imagine developing similar publication
>         > poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a
>         > healthy form of internationalization.
>         > 
>         > In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the
>         > right and power to create value over its own publications,
>         > and not rely on such perverse tools as the impact factor,
>         > etc. Other regions of the world will have a wonderful model
>         > to follow.
>         > 
>         > There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin
>         > America: it is the very fascination for the impact factor in
>         > some institutional sectors of Latin America. SciELO is an
>         > example of this. But the science councils that are also the
>         > funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
>         > Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives
>         > for people to publish in "international" journals 
(i.e.
>         > journals that have garnered high IF's in Thomson-Reuters'
>         > JCR). 
>         > 
>         > It might be a good idea to create a site to document such
>         > practices in order to compare them, and criticize them as
>         > silly and counterproductive. 
>         > 
>         > Jean-Claude
>         > 
>         > Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 à 07:42 -0400, Carolina a écrit :
>         > > 
>         > > This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities 
still
>         > > do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our
>         > > governments call OA are actually just free access 
(public
>         > > access)...
>         > > 
>         > > So my question is: should we move a step forward to
>         > > guarantee that all that is paid with public funding is 
OA
>         > > under the Budapest declaration, which means licensed 
under
>         > > a CC-by license ? 
>         > > Que les parece?  
>         > > 
>         > > Sent from my iPhone
>         > > 
>         > > On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray Córdoba
>         > > <saraycg AT gmail.com> wrote:
>         > > 
>         > > 
>         > > 
>         > > > Dear all, 
>         > > > Latin America is a open access region because open
>         > > > access movement is stronger than other regions in 
the
>         > > > world. Here you have the Unesco's
>         > > > Goap 
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes the OA situation from different facets.  
>         > > > 
>         > > > 
>         > > > We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to
>         > > > Spanish the BOAI Forum
>         > > > news: 
https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/.
>         > > > Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are 
pioneers.
>         > > > Before there was talked about open access in the 
world
>         > > > (2001) these already existed.  
>         > > > 
>         > > > 
>         > > > Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that 
remind
>         > > > us that "the south also exists" and this 
BOAI Forum is
>         > > > the best site to discuss about open access and to
>         > > > support the local and regional development.  
>         > > > 
>         > > > 
>         > > > We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that 
will
>         > > > be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For 
more
>         > > > information visit: 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/ 
>         > > > 
>         > > > Best wishes 
>         > > > Saray 
>         > > > 
>         > > > 2013/6/13 Françoise Salager-Meyer
>         > > > <francoise.sm AT gmail.com> 
>         > > > 
>         > > >         Regarding the coverage of Latin American
>         > > >         journals (SciELO) in the web of science, 
here
>         > > >         are 2 interesting papers. The first one is
>         > > >         entitled "Latin American Scientific 
Journals:
>         > > >         from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access. 
>         > > >         
>         > > >         
>         > > >         
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf 
>         > > >         
>         > > >         
>         > > >         
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fulltext 

>         > > >         
>         > > >         
>         > > >         Françoise Salager-Meyer 
>         > > >         
>         > > >         
>         > > >         
>         > > >         > ***
>         > > >         > Greetings from Vancouver
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > Interestingly enough, at least from 
the
>         > > >         > perspective of an earth sciences 
librarian, it
>         > > >         > appears that some journals that
>         > > >         > are in Latindex are also indexed in 
Web of
>         > > >         > Science and GeoRef.
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > For example,
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=18159&opcion=3
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this 
doesn't
>         > > >         > really surprise me.
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > Kevin
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > Kevin Lindstrom
>         > > >         > Physical Sciences and Engineering 
Librarian
>         > > >         > Woodward Library
>         > > >         > 2198 Health Sciences Mall 
>         > > >         > University of British Columbia
>         > > >         > Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>         > > >         > Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>         > > >         > Voice: (604) 822-0695
>         > > >         > scieng.library.ubc.ca
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > 
______________________________________________
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > From: boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk
>         > > >         > [boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf
>         > > >         > of Jean-Claude Guédon
>         > > >         > [jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
>         > > >         > Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>         > > >         > To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>         > > >         > Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the 
nature
>         > > >         > of this group
>         > > >         > Having tried for years to demonstrate 
that
>         > > >         > what is going on outside the North 
Atlantic
>         > > >         > region of the world, is significant at 
a world
>         > > >         > scale - how long did it take for 
people to
>         > > >         > begin paying attention to both SciELO 
and
>         > > >         > RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 
6000
>         > > >         > journals vetted by Latindex? Why are 
people
>         > > >         > mesmerized by the Web of Science, 
SCOPUS and
>         > > >         > Ulrich's? - and after publishing 
several
>         > > >         > articles on this kind of issues, I 
would
>         > > >         > support Carolina's call with passion. 
I would
>         > > >         > simply add that local actions are 
wonderful,
>         > > >         > but one should never forget that their
>         > > >         > potential world impact is also great. 
The
>         > > >         > North Atlantic region is not the sole 
fount of
>         > > >         > wisdom in the scientific world, and it 
should
>         > > >         > not masquerade as the only site of
>         > > >         > "international" science 
(international here
>         > > >         > meaning "core journals" as 
defined by
>         > > >         > Thomson-Reuters...).
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is 
probably
>         > > >         > far more significant than all the 
battles in
>         > > >         > Britain about a silly Finch report, 
because
>         > > >         > the Finch report affects only Britain 
and
>         > > >         > Brazil's GDP is just about to pass 
that of
>         > > >         > Britain, if it is not already the 
case. The
>         > > >         > future lies with Brazil, not Britain, 
or
>         > > >         > France or Germany.
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > Jean-Claude
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 à 13:06 
-0400,
>         > > >         > Carolina Rossini a écrit :
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > > Hi all,
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > In the past few days, thinking on 
how to
>         > > >         > > advance OA in Latin America, I 
was wondering
>         > > >         > > if the members of this list could 
play a
>         > > >         > > more active role in supporting 
regional
>         > > >         > > policy initiatives.
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > I was thinking of a coalition of 
sorts,
>         > > >         > > which can publish statements and 
positions
>         > > >         > > supporting local actions.
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > What do you think? This would not 
change
>         > > >         > > other roles for this list, 
regarding
>         > > >         > > discussions on concepts and 
events, but
>         > > >         > > would add a additional and spicy 
element.
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > Carolina
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > --
>         > > >         > > Carolina Rossini
>         > > >         > > http://carolinarossini.net/
>         > > >         > > + 1 6176979389
>         > > >         > > *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>         > > >         > > skype: carolrossini
>         > > >         > >  AT carolinarossini
>         > > >         > > 
>         > > >         > > 
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>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > 
>         > > >         > --
>         > > >         > Jean-Claude Guédon Professeur 
titulaire
>         > > >         > Littérature comparée Université de 
Montréal
>         > > >         > 
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>         > > > 
>         > > > 
>         > > > 
>         > > > 
>         > > > -- 
>         > > > Saray Córdoba González
>         > > > Encargada de Latindex
>         > > > Vicerrectoría de Investigación
>         > > > Universidad de Costa Rica
>         > > > 4º piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
>         > > > Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
>         > > > Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908
>         > > > Fax 506-2224 9367
>         > > > www.latindex.ucr.ac.cr 
>         > > > www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr 
>         > > > www.kerwa.ucr.ac.cr
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu>
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2013 21:59:26 +0300


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The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the
process.

http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013

I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including
you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor
speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help
in any way I can.

Best wishes,

Dave Solomon


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> wrote:

> **
> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goa=
l.
> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And
> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. The=
se
> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making thes=
e
> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderfu=
l
> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best practices,
> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would be =
a
> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Just my two cents' worth.
>
> jc
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>
> Dear all,
>
> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda
> llevar a cabo localmente.
>
> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensill=
o
> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA
> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
"nort=
e"
> pueden ayudarnos
>
> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta
> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>
> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>
> Carolina
>
>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar <gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.=
cl>
> wrote:
>
>  Dear all,
>
>
>
>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>
> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
> repositories, etc..
> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have 
also
> contributed to this development.
>
> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>
>   Latin American Repositories Network
>
>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>
>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access
> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>
> Latin America Thesis Portal
> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>
>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>
>
>
>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>
>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   The south also exists !
>
>
>
>   -------------------------------------------------
>
>   Gabriela Ort=FAzar
>
>   Director
>
>   Information Services & Library System
>
>   Universidad de Chile
> Tel 56-29782584
>
>   http://www.uchile.cl
>
>   http://m.uchile.cl (m=F3vil)
>
>
>
>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> escribi=F3:
>
>
>    Me parece muy bien,
>
> pero...
>
> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. Wha=
t
> is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging frui=
ts
> and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they
> can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>
> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged ver=
y
> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>
> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority o=
f
> journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latinde=
x,
> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of
> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore
> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large
> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form
> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regiona=
l
> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a 
counterweight to
> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asi=
a
> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>
> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power
> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse
> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a
> wonderful model to follow.
>
> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the
> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of
> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils tha=
t
> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people t=
o
> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have 
garnered hig=
h
> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>
> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
>
>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have
> OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually
> just free access (public access)...
>
>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration=
,
> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
> Que les parece?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
wrote:
>
>
>  Dear all,
> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-pl=
atforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>
>
> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI Foru=
m
> news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997),
> Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about ope=
n
> access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>
>
> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the 
south
> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about 
open
> access and to support the local and regional development.
>
>
> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa
> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
> 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/inde=
x.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>
> Best wishes
> Saray
>
> 2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>
> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web of
> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin
> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>
>
> http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientifi=
c%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>
>
>
> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<http=
://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6/=
fulltext
>
>
>
> Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
>
>
>  ***
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opc<http:/=
/www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D3>
> 
ion=3D3<http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&op=
cion=3D3>
>
> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>
> Kevin
>
> Kevin Lindstrom
> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
> Woodward Library
> 2198 Health Sciences Mall
> University of British Columbia
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> *From:* boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [
> boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=E9don [
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
> *To:* boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
> *Subject:* [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on outside the
> North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how
> long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and
> RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why
> are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and
> after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support
> Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
> wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impact =
is
> also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in
> the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of
> "international" science (international here meaning "core 
journals" as
> defined by Thomson-Reuters...).
>
> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant than
> all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch
> report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that o=
f
> Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not
> Britain, or France or Germany.
>
> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
>
>
> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>
> Hi all,
>
>
> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin America, I
> was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role i=
n
> supporting regional policy initiatives.
>
>
> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish statements and
> positions supporting local actions.
>
>
> What do you think? This would not change other roles for this list,
> regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional
> and spicy element.
>
>
> Carolina
>
>
> --
> *Carolina Rossini*
> http://carolinarossini.net/
> + 1 6176979389
> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
> skype: carolrossini
>  AT carolinarossini
>
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> Fax 506-2224 9367
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<div dir=3D"ltr">The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August 
might be a f=
orum to start the process.=A0<div><br></div><div><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sfu.=
ca/pkp2013">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I ex=
pect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including you=
 Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor spe=
ak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help in a=
ny way I can.=A0<div>
<br></div><div style>Best wishes,</div><div 
style><br></div><div style>Dave=
 Solomon</div></div></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D"=
gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don 
<span di=
r=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca" target=3D"=
_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>


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<div>
What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CL=
ACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for =
a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It =
is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the =
best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, =
is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can=
 be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people mee=
t somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kic=
k things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars.=
 There, they could share experiences and best practices, and they could des=
ign a collective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina.=
 But a lot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the whe=
el.<br>

<br>
Just my two cents&#39; worth.<br>
<br>
jc<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit 
:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la re=
gion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llev=
ar a cabo localmente. <br>
    <br>
    Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarr=
olar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posibl=
e, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en lati=
n america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
&quot;norte&qu=
ot; pueden ayudarnos<br>

    <br>
    Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Es=
ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific d=
ata. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br>
    <br>
    Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br>
    <br>
    Carolina<br>
    <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar &lt;<a 
href=3D"mai=
lto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt; wr=
ote:
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Dear all,
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in c=
reating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br>
        <br>
        Universities have led several initiatives:=A0optimization of academ=
ic journals, implementing=A0Creative Commons, developing institutional repo=
sitories, etc..<br>
        No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) =
=A0have also contributed to this development.<br>
        <br>
        Some interesting results that I share with you:<br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Latin American Repositories Network=A0
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acce=
ss to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br>
        <br>
        Latin America Thesis Portal<br>
        <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" 
target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
        <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://libro=
s.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        The south also exists !
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font 
color=3D"#005493">-------------------------------------------=
------</font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Gabriela Ort=FAzar
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Director
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Information Services &amp; Library System
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Universidad de Chile<br>
        Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" 
target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><b=
r>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font color=3D"#005493"><a 
href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" 
target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl=
</a> (m=F3vil)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT um=
ontreal.ca</a>&gt; escribi=F3:
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            Me parece muy bien,<br>
            <br>
            pero...<br>
            <br>
            It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of=
 good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-ha=
nging fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be hori=
zons; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operation=
s.<br>

            <br>
            This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads=
 the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that eme=
rged very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>

            <br>
            What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large =
majority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Than=
ks to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Lat=
index, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteri=
a of quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to expl=
ore the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based o=
n Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large =
collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form th=
e basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional pu=
blication in the &quot;grand conversation&quot; of science as a 
counterweig=
ht to the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East=
 Asia can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done, =
science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.<br>

            <br>
            In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right=
 and power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such =
perverse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will h=
ave a wonderful model to follow.<br>

            <br>
            There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America:=
 it is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sec=
tors of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science counci=
ls that are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. =
Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to =
publish in &quot;international&quot; journals (i.e. journals that have 
garn=
ered high IF&#39;s in Thomson-Reuters&#39; JCR). <br>

            <br>
            It might be a good idea to create a site to document such pract=
ices in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterprodu=
ctive. <br>
            <br>
            Jean-Claude<br>
            <br>
            Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still =
do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are=
 actually just free access (public access)...
            </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarant=
ee that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest decla=
ration, which means licensed under a CC-by license ?=A0<br>
                Que les parece? =A0<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=
=3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Dear all, <br>
                    Latin America is a open access region because open acce=
ss movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the =
Unesco&#39;s Goap=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-a=
nd-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-an=
d-the-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communicat=
ion-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-ameri=
ca-and-the-caribbean/</a>=A0which describes the OA situation from 
different=
 facets.=A0 <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spa=
nish the BOAI Forum news:=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/1846=
75074889032/" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488=
9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. 
Before =
there was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existe=
d.=A0 <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind =
us that &quot;the south also exists&quot; and this BOAI Forum is the 
best s=
ite to discuss about open access and to support the local and regional deve=
lopment.=A0 <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that wil=
l be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit=
:=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> 
<br>

                    <br>
                    Best wishes <br>
                    Saray <br>
                    <br>
                    2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm 
AT gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 <br>
                    <blockquote>
                        Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (=
SciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one=
 is entitled &quot;Latin American Scientific Journals: from &quot;Lost 
Scie=
nce&quot; to Open Access. <br>

                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docum=
ents/Latin%20American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/=
uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,=
%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br>

                        <br>
                        <br>
                        p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la=
ncet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.co=
m/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext 
<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=E7oise 
Salager-Meyer</=
font> <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                            ***<br>
                            Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                            <br>
                            Interestingly enough, at least from the perspec=
tive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals 
that<br>
                            are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scie=
nce and GeoRef.<br>
                            <br>
                            For example,<br>
                            <br>
                            <a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador=
/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.lat=
index.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc</a><a 
href=3D"http=
://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" =
target=3D"_blank">ion=3D3</a><br>

                            <br>
                            Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this 
doesn&#39;=
t really surprise me.<br>
                            <br>
                            Kevin<br>
                            <br>
                            Kevin Lindstrom<br>
                            Physical Sciences and Engineering 
Librarian<br>
                            Woodward Library<br>
                            2198 Health Sciences Mall=A0<br>
                            University of British Columbia<br>
                            Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
                            <a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom 
AT ubc.c=
a" target=3D"_blank">Email:kevin.lindstrom AT 
ubc.ca</a><br>
                            Voice: <a 
href=3D"tel:%28604%29%20822-0695" tar=
get=3D"_blank">(604) 822-0695</a><br>
                            <a 
href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca/" targe=
t=3D"_blank">scieng.library.ubc.ca</a><br>
                           =20
<hr align=3D"center">
<br>
                            <br>
                            <b>From:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounc=
es AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces 
AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a=
> [<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">=
boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=E9don [=
<a href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.c=
laude.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>

                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 
6:00 AM<br=
>
                            <b>To:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT ecs.sot=
on.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question 
on the na=
ture of this group<br>
                            Having tried for years to demonstrate that what=
 is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant=
 at a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attenti=
on to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vett=
ed by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and=
 Ulrich&#39;s? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of 
issu=
es, I would support Carolina&#39;s call with passion. I would simply add 
th=
at local actions are wonderful, but one should never forget that their pote=
ntial world impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole=
 fount of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as t=
he only site of &quot;international&quot; science (international here 
meani=
ng &quot;core journals&quot; as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...).<br>

                            <br>
                            What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably f=
ar more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch rep=
ort, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil&#39;s GDP is 
=
just about to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The futu=
re lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>

                            <br>
                            I am with you 120%&#39; Carolina.<br>
                            <br>
                            Jean-Claude<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =E0 13:06 -0400, Carol=
ina Rossini a =E9crit :<br>
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d play a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.<br>

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                                I was thinking of a=A0coalition=A0of sorts,=
 which can publish=A0statements=A0and positions supporting local actions.<b=
r>
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                                What do you think? This would not change ot=
her roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but =
would add a additional and spicy element.<br>
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 10:17:06 -0400


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We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year. That=
 could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and iden=
tify the right people.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu> wrote:

> The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start 
th=
e process.=20
>=20
> http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013
>=20
> I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe 
includin=
g you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor=
 speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help i=
n any way I can.=20
>=20
> Best wishes,
>=20
> Dave Solomon
>=20
>=20
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don 
<jean.claude.gued=
on AT umontreal.ca> wrote:
>> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not 
what C=
LACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for a=
 year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It is=
 really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the bes=
t ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is t=
o build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be i=
dentified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet some=
where in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick thing=
s off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, t=
hey could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a coll=
ective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot h=
as been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.
>>=20
>> Just my two cents' worth.
>>=20
>> jc
>>=20
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a 
=C3=A9cri=
t :
>>> Dear all,
>>>=20
>>> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en 
la reg=
ion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llevar=
 a cabo localmente.=20
>>>=20
>>> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo 
desarro=
lar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible,=
 pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin a=
merica y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" 
pueden ayu=
darnos
>>>=20
>>> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en 
Brasil. Est=
a largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific dat=
a. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.=20
>>>=20
>>> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>>>=20
>>> Carolina
>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar 
<gortuzar AT u.uchi=
le.cl> wrote:
>>> Dear all,
>>> I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in 
creati=
ng a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>>>=20
>>> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of 
academic jour=
nals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional repositories, e=
tc..
>>> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  
have also=
 contributed to this development.
>>>=20
>>> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>>> Latin American Repositories Network=20
>>> http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>>> developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous 
access to=
 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>>>=20
>>> Latin America Thesis Portal
>>> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>>> Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>>> Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
>>> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>>> Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>>> http://libros.uchile.cl/
>>> The south also exists !
>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>> Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar
>>> Director
>>> Information Services & Library System
>>> Universidad de Chile
>>> Tel 56-29782584
>>> http://www.uchile.cl
>>> http://m.uchile.cl (m=C3=B3vil)
>>> El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don 
<jean.claude.guedon AT u=
montreal.ca> escribi=C3=B3:
>>>> Me parece muy bien,
>>>>=20
>>>> pero...
>>>>=20
>>>> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy 
of good. W=
hat is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fru=
its and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they=
 can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>>>>=20
>>>> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly 
leads the way=
. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged very=
 recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>>>>=20
>>>> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large 
majority=
 of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to pro=
jects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, and=
 platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of qualit=
y are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore the poss=
ibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redclara, o=
ffers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collections of=
 journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an a=
utonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication in the 
"=
grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the present 
publishing o=
ligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine developing si=
milar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a hea=
lthy form of internationalization.
>>>>=20
>>>> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the 
right and pow=
er to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse t=
ools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a wonde=
rful model to follow.
>>>>=20
>>>> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin 
America: it is t=
he very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of L=
atin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that ar=
e also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colombia), s=
ome universities even offer financial incentives for people to publish in 
"i=
nternational" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high IF's in 
Thomso=
n-Reuters' JCR).=20
>>>>=20
>>>> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such 
practices in o=
rder to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Jean-Claude
>>>>=20
>>>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a 
=C3=A9crit :
>>>>> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still 
do not have=
 OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually ju=
st free access (public access)...
>>>>> So my question is: should we move a step forward to 
guarantee that all=
 that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, whic=
h means licensed under a CC-by license ?=20
>>>>> Que les parece? =20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>=20
>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba 
<saraycg AT gmail.com> w=
rote:
>>>>>=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Dear all,=20
>>>>>> Latin America is a open access region because open 
access movement is=
 stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap h=
ttp://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platfo=
rms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes t=
he OA situation from different facets. =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to 
Spanish the BOAI =
Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997=
), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about ope=
n access in the world (2001) these already existed. =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind 
us that "the s=
outh also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about 
open=
 access and to support the local and regional development. =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that 
will be held in C=
osta Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: http://www.bi=
redial2013.ucr.ac.cr/=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Best wishes=20
>>>>>> Saray=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer 
<francoise.sm AT gmail.com>=20
>>>>>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals 
(SciELO) in the web=
 of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin=
 American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open Access.=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scien=
tific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-=
6/fulltext=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Interestingly enough, at least from the 
perspective of an earth scie=
nces librarian, it appears that some journals that
>>>>>>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science 
and GeoRef.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> For example,
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcio=
n=3D3
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't 
really surprise me.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Kevin Lindstrom
>>>>>>> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>>>>>>> Woodward Library
>>>>>>> 2198 Health Sciences Mall=20
>>>>>>> University of British Columbia
>>>>>>> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>>>>>>> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>>>>>>> Voice: (604) 822-0695
>>>>>>> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk 
[boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.sot=
on.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don [jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal=
.ca]
>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>>>>>>> To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>>> Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of 
this group
>>>>>>> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is 
going on outside t=
he North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how=
 long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and Re=
dALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are p=
eople mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after pub=
lishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's c=
all with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but o=
ne should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The N=
orth Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world=
, and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" 
science (=
international here meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...)=
.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far 
more significant t=
han all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch=
 report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of B=
ritain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Brit=
ain, or France or Germany.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Jean-Claude
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, 
Carolina Rossini a =C3=A9=
crit :
>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> In the past few days, thinking on how to 
advance OA in Latin Americ=
a, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role=
 in supporting regional policy initiatives.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which 
can publish statement=
s and positions supporting local actions.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> What do you think? This would not change other 
roles for this list,=
 regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional an=
d spicy element.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Carolina
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Carolina Rossini
>>>>>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/
>>>>>>>> + 1 6176979389
>>>>>>>> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>>>>>>>> skype: carolrossini
>>>>>>>>  AT carolinarossini
>>>>>>>>=20
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Litt=C3=A9rature compar=
=C3=A9e Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al
>>>>>>>=20
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>>>>>> --=20
>>>>>> Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez
>>>>>> Encargada de Latindex
>>>>>> Vicerrector=C3=ADa de Investigaci=C3=B3n
>>>>>> Universidad de Costa Rica
>>>>>> 4=C2=BA piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
>>>>>> Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
>>>>>> Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908
>>>>>> Fax 506-2224 9367
>>>>>> www.latindex.ucr.ac.cr=20
>>>>>> www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr=20
>>>>>> www.kerwa.ucr.ac.cr
>>>>>> www.latindex.org=20
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content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>We 
will also have the CONFOA conferenc=
e in Brazil in October this year. That could be a great opportunity too, and=
 give us more time to prepare and identify the right 
people.<br><br>Sent fro=
m my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David 
Solomon &lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:dsolomon AT msu.edu">dsolomon AT 
msu.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div=
><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div 
dir=3D"ltr">The PKP Conference in Mexic=
o City this August might be a forum to start the 
process.&nbsp;<div><br></di=
v><div><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><b=
r></div><div><br></div><div>I expect a lot of 
like-minded people will be att=
ending, I believe including you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am n=
ot from Latin America nor speak much Spanish but will be attending the confe=
rence and happy to help in any way I can.&nbsp;<div>
<br></div><div style=3D"">Best 
wishes,</div><div 
style=3D""><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"">Dave Solomon</div></div></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, 
Jean-Claude Gu=C3=
=A9don <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.=
ca" target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1px=
 #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>


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<div>
What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CLA=
CSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for a y=
ear or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It is r=
eally a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the best w=
ays to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is to b=
uild a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be iden=
tified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet somewhe=
re in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick things o=
ff. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, the=
y could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a collec=
tive strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot ha=
s been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.<br>

<br>
Just my two cents' worth.<br>
<br>
jc<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =C3=A9crit :=
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la reg=
ion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llevar=
 a cabo localmente. <br>
    <br>
    Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarro=
lar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible,=
 pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin a=
merica y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" 
pueden ayu=
darnos<br>

    <br>
    Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Est=
a largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific dat=
a. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br>
    <br>
    Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br>
    <br>
    Carolina<br>
    <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar &lt;<a 
href=3D"m=
ailto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt; w=
rote:
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Dear all,
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in cr=
eating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br>
        <br>
        Universities have led several initiatives:&nbsp;optimization of 
acad=
emic journals, implementing&nbsp;Creative Commons, developing institutional 
r=
epositories, etc..<br>
        No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) 
&n=
bsp;have also contributed to this development.<br>
        <br>
        Some interesting results that I share with you:<br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Latin American Repositories Network&nbsp;
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acces=
s to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br>
        <br>
        Latin America Thesis Portal<br>
        <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" 
target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
        <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://libros=
.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        The south also exists !
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font 
color=3D"#005493">--------------------------------------------=
-----</font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Director
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Information Services &amp; Library System
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Universidad de Chile<br>
        Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" 
target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><br=
>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font color=3D"#005493"><a 
href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" 
target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl<=
/a> (m=C3=B3vil)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don &lt;<a 
href=3D"ma=
ilto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT u=
montreal.ca</a>&gt; escribi=C3=B3:
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            Me parece muy bien,<br>
            <br>
            pero...<br>
            <br>
            It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of g=
ood. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hangi=
ng fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons=
; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of 
operations.<br=
>

            <br>
            This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads t=
he way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerge=
d very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>

            <br>
            What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large m=
ajority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks=
 to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latind=
ex, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of=
 quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore t=
he possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redc=
lara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collect=
ions of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis f=
or an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication i=
n the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the 
present publ=
ishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine devel=
oping similar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achiev=
ed a healthy form of internationalization.<br>

            <br>
            In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right a=
nd power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such per=
verse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a=
 wonderful model to follow.<br>

            <br>
            There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: i=
t is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sector=
s of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils t=
hat are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colom=
bia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to publis=
h in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high 
IF's in=
 Thomson-Reuters' JCR). <br>

            <br>
            It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practi=
ces in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproduct=
ive. <br>
            <br>
            Jean-Claude<br>
            <br>
            Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =C3=A9cr=
it :
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still d=
o not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are a=
ctually just free access (public access)...
            </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarante=
e that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declara=
tion, which means licensed under a CC-by license ?&nbsp;<br>
                Que les parece? &nbsp;<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=
=3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Dear all, <br>
                    Latin America is a open access region because open acces=
s movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Un=
esco's Goap&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-i=
nformation/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the=
-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-an=
d-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-=
the-caribbean/</a>&nbsp;which describes the OA situation from 
different face=
ts.&nbsp; <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Span=
ish the BOAI Forum news:&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/184=
675074889032/" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488=
9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. 
Before t=
here was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.=
&nbsp; <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind u=
s that "the south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site 
to discu=
ss about open access and to support the local and regional 
development.&nbsp=
; <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will=
 be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information 
visit:&=
nbsp;<a 
href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> 
<br>

                    <br>
                    Best wishes <br>
                    Saray <br>
                    <br>
                    2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"ma=
ilto:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT gmail.com</a>&gt=
; <br>
                    <blockquote>
                        Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (S=
ciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one i=
s entitled "Latin American Scientific Journals: from "Lost 
Science" to Open A=
ccess. <br>

                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docume=
nts/Latin%20American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/up=
loads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20=
Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br>

                        <br>
                        <br>
                        p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan=
cet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/=
journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=C3=A7oise 
Salager-Meyer=
</font> <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                            ***<br>
                            Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                            <br>
                            Interestingly enough, at least from the perspect=
ive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals 
that<br>
                            are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scien=
ce and GeoRef.<br>
                            <br>
                            For example,<br>
                            <br>
                            <a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/=
ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latin=
dex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc</a><a 
href=3D"http://=
www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" targ=
et=3D"_blank">ion=3D3</a><br>

                            <br>
                            Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't rea=
lly surprise me.<br>
                            <br>
                            Kevin<br>
                            <br>
                            Kevin Lindstrom<br>
                            Physical Sciences and Engineering 
Librarian<br>
                            Woodward Library<br>
                            2198 Health Sciences Mall&nbsp;<br>
                            University of British Columbia<br>
                            Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
                            <a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom 
AT ubc.ca=
" target=3D"_blank">Email:kevin.lindstrom AT 
ubc.ca</a><br>
                            Voice: <a 
href=3D"tel:%28604%29%20822-0695" targ=
et=3D"_blank">(604) 822-0695</a><br>
                            <a 
href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca/" target=
=3D"_blank">scieng.library.ubc.ca</a><br>
                           =20
<hr align=3D"center">
<br>
                            <br>
                            <b>From:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounce=
s AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> [=
<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">boai=
-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=C3=A9don [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.clau=
de.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>

                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 
6:00 AM<br>=

                            <b>To:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT ecs.soto=
n.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question 
on the nat=
ure of this group<br>
                            Having tried for years to demonstrate that what i=
s going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at=
 a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention t=
o both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by=
 Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulric=
h's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would=
 support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions=
 are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impac=
t is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom i=
n the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of 
"in=
ternational" science (international here meaning "core journals" 
as defined b=
y Thomson-Reuters...).<br>

                            <br>
                            What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably fa=
r more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch repor=
t, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just ab=
out to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies w=
ith Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>

                            <br>
                            I am with you 120%' Carolina.<br>
                            <br>
                            Jean-Claude<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, Car=
olina Rossini a =C3=A9crit :<br>
                            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                                Hi all,<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                In the past few days, thinking on how to adv=
ance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could p=
lay a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.<br>

                                <br>
                                <br>
                                I was thinking of 
a&nbsp;coalition&nbsp;of s=
orts, which can publish&nbsp;statements&nbsp;and positions supporting 
local a=
ctions.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                What do you think? This would not change oth=
er roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but wo=
uld add a additional and spicy element.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Carolina<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                --<br>
                                <b>Carolina Rossini</b><br>
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href=3D"http://ca=
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target=3D"_blank">http://carolinarossini.net/</a></font>=
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target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT gmail.c=
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: =?utf-8?Q?Saray_C=C3=B3rdoba?= <saraycg AT gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2013 16:19:25 -0600


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I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.=20
Best regards,=20

Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez=20

El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com> 
escribi=C3=
=B3:

> We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year. 
Th=
at could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and id=
entify the right people.
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
>=20
> On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu> 
wrote:
>=20
>> The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to 
start t=
he process.=20
>>=20
>> http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013
>>=20
>> I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe 
includi=
ng you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America no=
r speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help i=
n any way I can.=20
>>=20
>> Best wishes,
>>=20
>> Dave Solomon
>>=20
>>=20
>> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don 
<jean.claude.gue=
don AT umontreal.ca> wrote:
>>> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this 
not what=
 CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding fo=
r a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It=
 is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the b=
est ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is=
 to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be=
 identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet so=
mewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick thi=
ngs off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There=
, they could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a c=
ollective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a l=
ot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.
>>>=20
>>> Just my two cents' worth.
>>>=20
>>> jc
>>>=20
>>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a 
=C3=A9cr=
it :
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>=20
>>>> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa 
en la re=
gion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda lleva=
r a cabo localmente.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo 
puedo desarr=
olar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible=
, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin a=
merica y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" 
pueden ayu=
darnos
>>>>=20
>>>> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en 
Brasil. Es=
ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific da=
ta. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>>>>=20
>>>> Carolina
>>>>=20
>>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar 
<gortuzar AT u.uch=
ile.cl> wrote:
>>>> Dear all,
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages 
in creat=
ing a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>>>>=20
>>>> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of 
academic jou=
rnals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional repositories,=
 etc..
>>>> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & 
OMP)  have als=
o contributed to this development.
>>>>=20
>>>> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>>>>=20
>>>> Latin American Repositories Network=20
>>>> http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>>>> developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous 
access t=
o 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>>>>=20
>>>> Latin America Thesis Portal
>>>> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/    =20
>>>> Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
>>>> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>>>> http://libros.uchile.cl/
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> The south also exists !
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> -------------------------------------------------
>>>> Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar
>>>> Director
>>>> Information Services & Library System
>>>> Universidad de Chile
>>>> Tel 56-29782584
>>>>=20
>>>> http://www.uchile.cl
>>>> http://m.uchile.cl (m=C3=B3vil)
>>>>=20
>>>>=20
>>>> El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don 
<jean.claude.guedon AT =
umontreal.ca> escribi=C3=B3:
>>>>=20
>>>>> Me parece muy bien,
>>>>>=20
>>>>> pero...
>>>>>=20
>>>>> It is important to remember that perfection can be the 
enemy of good. W=
hat is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fru=
its and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they=
 can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly 
leads the wa=
y. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged ver=
y recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a 
large majorit=
y of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to pr=
ojects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, an=
d platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of quali=
ty are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore the pos=
sibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redclara, o=
ffers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collections of=
 journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an a=
utonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication in the 
"=
grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the present 
publishing o=
ligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine developing si=
milar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a hea=
lthy form of internationalization.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the 
right and po=
wer to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse=
 tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a won=
derful model to follow.
>>>>>=20
>>>>> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin 
America: it is t=
he very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of L=
atin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that ar=
e also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colombia), s=
ome universities even offer financial incentives for people to publish in 
"i=
nternational" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high IF's in 
Thomso=
n-Reuters' JCR).=20
>>>>>=20
>>>>> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such 
practices in=
 order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.=20=

>>>>>=20
>>>>> Jean-Claude
>>>>>=20
>>>>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a 
=C3=A9crit :
>>>>>> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities 
still do not hav=
e OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually j=
ust free access (public access)...
>>>>>> So my question is: should we move a step forward to 
guarantee that al=
l that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, whi=
ch means licensed under a CC-by license ?=20
>>>>>> Que les parece? =20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba 
<saraycg AT gmail.com> w=
rote:
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Dear all,=20
>>>>>>> Latin America is a open access region because open 
access movement i=
s stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap h=
ttp://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platfo=
rms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes t=
he OA situation from different facets. =20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates 
to Spanish the BOAI=
 Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (199=
7), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about op=
en access in the world (2001) these already existed. =20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that 
remind us that "the s=
outh also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about 
open=
 access and to support the local and regional development. =20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, 
that will be held in C=
osta Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: http://www.bi=
redial2013.ucr.ac.cr/=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Best wishes=20
>>>>>>> Saray=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer 
<francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>>>>>>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals 
(SciELO) in the we=
b of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Lati=
n American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie=
ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600=
-6/fulltext=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>> Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> ***
>>>>>>>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Interestingly enough, at least from the 
perspective of an earth sci=
ences librarian, it appears that some journals that
>>>>>>>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of 
Science and GeoRef.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> For example,
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opci=
on=3D3
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't 
really surprise me.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Kevin
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Kevin Lindstrom
>>>>>>>> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>>>>>>>> Woodward Library
>>>>>>>> 2198 Health Sciences Mall=20
>>>>>>>> University of British Columbia
>>>>>>>> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>>>>>>>> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>>>>>>>> Voice: (604) 822-0695
>>>>>>>> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk 
[boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.so=
ton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don [jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontrea=
l.ca]
>>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>>>>>>>> To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>>>>>>> Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature 
of this group
>>>>>>>> Having tried for years to demonstrate that 
what is going on outside=
 the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - h=
ow long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and R=
edALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are p=
eople mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after pub=
lishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's c=
all with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but o=
ne should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The N=
orth Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world=
, and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" 
science (=
international here meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...)=
.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably 
far more significant t=
han all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch=
 report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of B=
ritain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Brit=
ain, or France or Germany.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Jean-Claude
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, 
Carolina Rossini a =C3=
=A9crit :
>>>>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> In the past few days, thinking on how to 
advance OA in Latin Ameri=
ca, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active rol=
e in supporting regional policy initiatives.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, 
which can publish statemen=
ts and positions supporting local actions.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> What do you think? This would not change 
other roles for this list=
, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional a=
nd spicy element.
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> Carolina
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>>=20
>>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>>> Carolina Rossini
>>>>>>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/
>>>>>>>>> + 1 6176979389
>>>>>>>>> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>>>>>>>>> skype: carolrossini
>>>>>>>>>  AT carolinarossini
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>>>>>>> Encargada de Latindex
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utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I 
also be there, it will be a good cha=
nce to discuss about this theme.&nbsp;</div><div>Best 
regards,&nbsp;<br><br>=
Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez&nbsp;</div><div><br>El 
16/06/2013, a las 08=
:17, Carolina &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com">carolina.ros=
sini AT gmail.com</a>&gt; 
escribi=C3=B3:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"=
><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" 
content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-=
8"><div>We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in 
October this ye=
ar. That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare a=
nd identify the right people.<br><br>Sent from my 
iPhone</div><div><br>On Ju=
n 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:dsolomon AT msu.edu=
">dsolomon AT msu.edu</a>&gt; 
wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><di=
v><div dir=3D"ltr">The PKP Conference in Mexico City this 
August might be a f=
orum to start the 
process.&nbsp;<div><br></div><div><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sf=
u.ca/pkp2013">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I e=
xpect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including you=
 Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor spea=
k much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help in any=
 way I can.&nbsp;<div>
<br></div><div style=3D"">Best 
wishes,</div><div 
style=3D""><br></div><div s=
tyle=3D"">Dave Solomon</div></div></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, 
Jean-Claude Gu=C3=
=A9don <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.=
ca" target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<=
br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
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<div>
What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CLA=
CSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for a y=
ear or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It is r=
eally a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the best w=
ays to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is to b=
uild a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be iden=
tified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet somewhe=
re in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick things o=
ff. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, the=
y could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a collec=
tive strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot ha=
s been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.<br>

<br>
Just my two cents' worth.<br>
<br>
jc<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =C3=A9crit :=
<br>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la reg=
ion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llevar=
 a cabo localmente. <br>
    <br>
    Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarro=
lar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible,=
 pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin a=
merica y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" 
pueden ayu=
darnos<br>

    <br>
    Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Est=
a largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific dat=
a. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br>
    <br>
    Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br>
    <br>
    Carolina<br>
    <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar &lt;<a 
href=3D"m=
ailto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt; w=
rote:
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Dear all,
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in cr=
eating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br>
        <br>
        Universities have led several initiatives:&nbsp;optimization of 
acad=
emic journals, implementing&nbsp;Creative Commons, developing institutional 
r=
epositories, etc..<br>
        No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) 
&n=
bsp;have also contributed to this development.<br>
        <br>
        Some interesting results that I share with you:<br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Latin American Repositories Network&nbsp;
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acces=
s to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br>
        <br>
        Latin America Thesis Portal<br>
        <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" 
target=3D"_blank">htt=
p://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
        <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://=
www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://libros=
.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        The south also exists !
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font 
color=3D"#005493">--------------------------------------------=
-----</font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Director
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Information Services &amp; Library System
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Universidad de Chile<br>
        Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" 
target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><br=
>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font color=3D"#005493"><a 
href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"_=
blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" 
target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl<=
/a> (m=C3=B3vil)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don &lt;<a 
href=3D"ma=
ilto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT u=
montreal.ca</a>&gt; escribi=C3=B3:
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            Me parece muy bien,<br>
            <br>
            pero...<br>
            <br>
            It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of g=
ood. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hangi=
ng fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons=
; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of 
operations.<br=
>

            <br>
            This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads t=
he way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerge=
d very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>

            <br>
            What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large m=
ajority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks=
 to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latind=
ex, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of=
 quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore t=
he possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redc=
lara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collect=
ions of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis f=
or an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication i=
n the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the 
present publ=
ishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine devel=
oping similar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achiev=
ed a healthy form of internationalization.<br>

            <br>
            In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right a=
nd power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such per=
verse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a=
 wonderful model to follow.<br>

            <br>
            There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: i=
t is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sector=
s of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils t=
hat are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colom=
bia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to publis=
h in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high 
IF's in=
 Thomson-Reuters' JCR). <br>

            <br>
            It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practi=
ces in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproduct=
ive. <br>
            <br>
            Jean-Claude<br>
            <br>
            Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =C3=A9cr=
it :
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still d=
o not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are a=
ctually just free access (public access)...
            </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarante=
e that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declara=
tion, which means licensed under a CC-by license ?&nbsp;<br>
                Que les parece? &nbsp;<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=
=3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; wr=
ote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Dear all, <br>
                    Latin America is a open access region because open acces=
s movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Un=
esco's Goap&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-i=
nformation/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the=
-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-an=
d-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-=
the-caribbean/</a>&nbsp;which describes the OA situation from 
different face=
ts.&nbsp; <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Span=
ish the BOAI Forum news:&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/184=
675074889032/" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488=
9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. 
Before t=
here was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.=
&nbsp; <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind u=
s that "the south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site 
to discu=
ss about open access and to support the local and regional 
development.&nbsp=
; <br>

                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will=
 be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information 
visit:&=
nbsp;<a 
href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> 
<br>

                    <br>
                    Best wishes <br>
                    Saray <br>
                    <br>
                    2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"ma=
ilto:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT gmail.com</a>&gt=
; <br>
                    <blockquote>
                        Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (S=
ciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one i=
s entitled "Latin American Scientific Journals: from "Lost 
Science" to Open A=
ccess. <br>

                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docume=
nts/Latin%20American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/up=
loads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20=
Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br>

                        <br>
                        <br>
                        p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan=
cet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/=
journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=C3=A7oise 
Salager-Meyer=
</font> <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                            ***<br>
                            Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                            <br>
                            Interestingly enough, at least from the perspect=
ive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals 
that<br>
                            are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scien=
ce and GeoRef.<br>
                            <br>
                            For example,<br>
                            <br>
                            <a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/=
ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latin=
dex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc</a><a 
href=3D"http://=
www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&amp;opcion=3D3" targ=
et=3D"_blank">ion=3D3</a><br>

                            <br>
                            Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't rea=
lly surprise me.<br>
                            <br>
                            Kevin<br>
                            <br>
                            Kevin Lindstrom<br>
                            Physical Sciences and Engineering 
Librarian<br>
                            Woodward Library<br>
                            2198 Health Sciences Mall&nbsp;<br>
                            University of British Columbia<br>
                            Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
                            <a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom 
AT ubc.ca=
" target=3D"_blank">Email:kevin.lindstrom AT 
ubc.ca</a><br>
                            Voice: <a 
href=3D"tel:%28604%29%20822-0695" targ=
et=3D"_blank">(604) 822-0695</a><br>
                            <a 
href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca/" target=
=3D"_blank">scieng.library.ubc.ca</a><br>
                           =20
<hr align=3D"center">
<br>
                            <br>
                            <b>From:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounce=
s AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> [=
<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">boai=
-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=C3=A9don [<a=
 href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.clau=
de.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>

                            <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 
6:00 AM<br>=

                            <b>To:</b> <a 
href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT ecs.soto=
n.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
                            <b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question 
on the nat=
ure of this group<br>
                            Having tried for years to demonstrate that what i=
s going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at=
 a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention t=
o both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by=
 Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulric=
h's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would=
 support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions=
 are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impac=
t is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom i=
n the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of 
"in=
ternational" science (international here meaning "core journals" 
as defined b=
y Thomson-Reuters...).<br>

                            <br>
                            What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably fa=
r more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch repor=
t, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just ab=
out to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies w=
ith Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>

                            <br>
                            I am with you 120%' Carolina.<br>
                            <br>
                            Jean-Claude<br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            <br>
                            Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, Car=
olina Rossini a =C3=A9crit :<br>
                            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                                Hi all,<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                In the past few days, thinking on how to adv=
ance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could p=
lay a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.<br>

                                <br>
                                <br>
                                I was thinking of 
a&nbsp;coalition&nbsp;of s=
orts, which can publish&nbsp;statements&nbsp;and positions supporting 
local a=
ctions.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                What do you think? This would not change oth=
er roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and events, but wo=
uld add a additional and spicy element.<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                Carolina<br>
                                <br>
                                <br>
                                --<br>
                                <b>Carolina Rossini</b><br>
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href=3D"http://ca=
rolinarossini.net/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://carolinarossini.net/</a></font>=
<br>
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href=3D"tel:%2B%2=
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6176979389</a></font><br>
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target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT gmail.c=
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 11:47:15 -0400


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I was also invited to speak at Scielo, but I think I will not be able to
make it, since I will need to ne at the IGF in Bali.
I will be at CONFOA.
I am not going to Mexico, if anybody has funding to cover my travel I am
happy to go and start this process.
Carol

On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Sueli Mara Soares Pinto Ferreira <
sueli.ferreira AT dt.sibi.usp.br> wrote:

>
> Dear all
>
>
> The Confoa 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I
> will be more then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects
> or strategies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.
>
> Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and should
> be invited to this discussion and so on.
>
> Saray, it is very nice to know that you will participate in the CONFOA
> 2013, thanks.
>
> I am sending the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period -
> October 6th to 9th, 2013 at University of S=E3o Paulo. I am sorry the sit=
e is
> in Portuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?
> http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Sueli Mara Ferreira
>
> Enviado via iPhone
>
> Em 16/06/2013, =E0s 19:19, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
escreveu:
>
> I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.
> Best regards,
>
> Saray C=F3rdoba Gonz=E1lez
>
> El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
> escribi=F3:
>
> We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year.
> That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare a=
nd
> identify the right people.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu> 
wrote:
>
> The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start
> the process.
>
> http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013
>
> I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe
> including you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin
> America nor speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and
> happy to help in any way I can.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave Solomon
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
>> **
>> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not 
what
>> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of 
funding
>> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this 
go=
al.
>> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. 
An=
d
>> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
>> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. 
Th=
ese
>> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making 
the=
se
>> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a 
wonderf=
ul
>> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
>> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best 
practices,
>> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
>> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would 
be=
 a
>> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>>
>> Just my two cents' worth.
>>
>> jc
>>
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
>> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se 
pueda
>> llevar a cabo localmente.
>>
>> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
>> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas 
sensil=
lo
>> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en 
O=
A
>> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
"nor=
te"
>> pueden ayudarnos
>>
>> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. 
Est=
a
>> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
>> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>>
>> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>>
>> Carolina
>>
>>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar <gortuzar AT 
u.uchile=
.cl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
>> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>>
>> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
>> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
>> repositories, etc..
>> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  
have also
>> contributed to this development.
>>
>> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>>
>>   Latin American Repositories Network
>>
>>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>>
>>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous 
access
>> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>>
>> Latin America Thesis Portal
>> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>>
>>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
>> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>>
>>
>>
>>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>>
>>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>>
>>
>>
>>   The south also exists !
>>
>>
>>
>>   -------------------------------------------------
>>
>>   Gabriela Ort=FAzar
>>
>>   Director
>>
>>   Information Services & Library System
>>
>>   Universidad de Chile
>> Tel 56-29782584
>>
>>   http://www.uchile.cl
>>
>>   http://m.uchile.cl (m=F3vil)
>>
>>
>>
>>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
>> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> escribi=F3:
>>
>>
>>    Me parece muy bien,
>>
>> pero...
>>
>> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good.
>> What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start 
low-hangin=
g
>> fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be 
horizon=
s;
>> they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of 
operations.
>>
>> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the 
way.
>> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged 
ve=
ry
>> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>>
>> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large 
majority
>> of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks 
to
>> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as 
Latind=
ex,
>> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria 
of
>> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to 
explor=
e
>> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based 
on
>> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These 
large
>> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can 
form
>> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a 
region=
al
>> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a 
counterweight to
>> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East 
As=
ia
>> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
>> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>>
>> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and 
powe=
r
>> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such 
perverse
>> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have 
a
>> wonderful model to follow.
>>
>> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is 
th=
e
>> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors 
of
>> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils 
th=
at
>> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
>> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for 
people =
to
>> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have 
garnered hi=
gh
>> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>>
>> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
>> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and 
counterproductive=
.
>>
>> Jean-Claude
>>
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
>>
>>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not
>> have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are
>> actually just free access (public access)...
>>
>>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
>> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest 
declaratio=
n,
>> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
>> Que les parece?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT 
gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Dear all,
>> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
>> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's 
Goa=
p
>> 
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-p=
latforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
>> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>>
>>
>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI
>> Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex
>> (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was 
talked
>> about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that 
"the sout=
h
>> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss 
about open
>> access and to support the local and regional development.
>>
>>
>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in 
Cost=
a
>> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
>> 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/ind=
ex.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Saray
>>
>> 2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>>
>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web 
of
>> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin
>> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>>
>>
>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientif=
ic%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<htt=
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6=
/fulltext
>>
>>
>>
>> Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
>>
>>
>>  ***
>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>
>> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth 
sciences
>> librarian, it appears that some journals that
>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>>
>> For example,
>>
>>
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I was also invited to speak at Scielo, but I think I will not be able to ma=
ke it, since I will need to ne at the IGF in Bali.=A0<div>I will be at 
CONF=
OA.</div><div>I am not going to Mexico, if anybody has funding to 
cover my =
travel I am happy to go and start this process.</div>
<div>Carol<br><br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 11:06 =
AM, Sueli Mara Soares Pinto Ferreira <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailt=
o:sueli.ferreira AT dt.sibi.usp.br" 
target=3D"_blank">sueli.ferreira AT dt.sibi.u=
sp.br</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div 
dir=3D"auto"><div><br>Dear 
all<br><br><=
/div><div><br></div><div>The Confoa 2013 will be in 
my university and I am =
the coordinator, then I will be more then happy to organize a meeting to ta=
lk about some projects or strategies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and=
 Carolina.<br>

<br>Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and 
shou=
ld be invited to this discussion and so on.<br><br>Saray, it is 
very nice t=
o know that you will participate in the CONFOA 2013, 
thanks.<br><br>I am se=
nding the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period - October =
6th to 9th, 2013 at University of S=E3o Paulo. I am sorry the site is in Po=
rtuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?<br>

<a href=3D"http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013" 
target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013</a><br>=
=A0<br>Best regards<br><br><br>Sueli Mara 
Ferreira<br><br>Enviado via iPhon=
e</div>
<div><br>Em 16/06/2013, =E0s 19:19, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:s=
araycg AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt; escreveu:<br>
<br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div class=
=3D"im"><div>I also be there, it will be a good chance to 
discuss about thi=
s theme.=A0</div><div>Best regards,=A0<br><br>Saray 
C=F3rdoba Gonz=E1lez=A0=
</div><div>
<br>El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:carolina.ros=
sini AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt; escrib=
i=F3:<br>
<br></div></div><div><div 
class=3D"h5"><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div>=
We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year. Tha=
t could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and id=
entify the right people.<br>

<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 15, 2013, 
at 2:59 PM, David So=
lomon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dsolomon AT msu.edu" 
target=3D"_blank">dsolomon AT ms=
u.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">

The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the=
 process.=A0<div><br></div><div><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I e=
xpect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including yo=
u Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor sp=
eak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help in =
any way I can.=A0<div>


<br></div><div>Best 
wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Dave 
Solomon</div></di=
v></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sa=
t, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claud=
e.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>


 =20
 =20

<div>
What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CL=
ACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for =
a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It =
is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the =
best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, =
is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can=
 be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people mee=
t somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kic=
k things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars.=
 There, they could share experiences and best practices, and they could des=
ign a collective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina.=
 But a lot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the whe=
el.<br>



<br>
Just my two cents&#39; worth.<br>
<br>
jc<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit 
:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la re=
gion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llev=
ar a cabo localmente. <br>
    <br>
    Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarr=
olar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posibl=
e, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en lati=
n america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
&quot;norte&qu=
ot; pueden ayudarnos<br>



    <br>
    Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Es=
ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific d=
ata. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br>
    <br>
    Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br>
    <br>
    Carolina<br>
    <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar &lt;<a 
href=3D"mai=
lto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt; wr=
ote:
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Dear all,
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in c=
reating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br>
        <br>
        Universities have led several initiatives:=A0optimization of academ=
ic journals, implementing=A0Creative Commons, developing institutional repo=
sitories, etc..<br>
        No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) =
=A0have also contributed to this development.<br>
        <br>
        Some interesting results that I share with you:<br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Latin American Repositories Network=A0
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acce=
ss to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br>
        <br>
        Latin America Thesis Portal<br>
        <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" 
target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
        <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://libro=
s.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        The south also exists !
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font 
color=3D"#005493">-------------------------------------------=
------</font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Gabriela Ort=FAzar
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Director
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Information Services &amp; Library System
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Universidad de Chile<br>
        Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" 
target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><b=
r>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font color=3D"#005493"><a 
href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" 
target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl=
</a> (m=F3vil)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT um=
ontreal.ca</a>&gt; escribi=F3:
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            Me parece muy bien,<br>
            <br>
            pero...<br>
            <br>
            It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of=
 good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-ha=
nging fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be hori=
zons; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operation=
s.<br>



            <br>
            This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads=
 the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that eme=
rged very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>



            <br>
            What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large =
majority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Than=
ks to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Lat=
index, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteri=
a of quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to expl=
ore the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based o=
n Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large =
collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form th=
e basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional pu=
blication in the &quot;grand conversation&quot; of science as a 
counterweig=
ht to the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East=
 Asia can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done, =
science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.<br>



            <br>
            In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right=
 and power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such =
perverse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will h=
ave a wonderful model to follow.<br>



            <br>
            There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America:=
 it is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sec=
tors of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science counci=
ls that are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. =
Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to =
publish in &quot;international&quot; journals (i.e. journals that have 
garn=
ered high IF&#39;s in Thomson-Reuters&#39; JCR). <br>



            <br>
            It might be a good idea to create a site to document such pract=
ices in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterprodu=
ctive. <br>
            <br>
            Jean-Claude<br>
            <br>
            Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still =
do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are=
 actually just free access (public access)...
            </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarant=
ee that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest decla=
ration, which means licensed under a CC-by license ?=A0<br>
                Que les parece? =A0<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=
=3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Dear all, <br>
                    Latin America is a open access region because open acce=
ss movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the =
Unesco&#39;s Goap=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-a=
nd-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-an=
d-the-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communicat=
ion-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-ameri=
ca-and-the-caribbean/</a>=A0which describes the OA situation from 
different=
 facets.=A0 <br>



                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spa=
nish the BOAI Forum news:=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/1846=
75074889032/" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488=
9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. 
Before =
there was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existe=
d.=A0 <br>



                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind =
us that &quot;the south also exists&quot; and this BOAI Forum is the 
best s=
ite to discuss about open access and to support the local and regional deve=
lopment.=A0 <br>



                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that wil=
l be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit=
:=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> 
<br>



                    <br>
                    Best wishes <br>
                    Saray <br>
                    <br>
                    2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm 
AT gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 <br>
                    <blockquote>
                        Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (=
SciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one=
 is entitled &quot;Latin American Scientific Journals: from &quot;Lost 
Scie=
nce&quot; to Open Access. <br>



                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docum=
ents/Latin%20American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/=
uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,=
%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br>



                        <br>
                        <br>
                        p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la=
ncet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.co=
m/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext 
<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=E7oise 
Salager-Meyer</=
font> <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                            ***<br>
                            Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                            <br>
                            Interestingly enough, at least from the perspec=
tive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals 
that<br>
                            are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scie=
nce and GeoRef.<br>
                            <br>
                            For example,<br>
       
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Sueli Mara Soares Pinto Ferreira <sueli.ferreira AT dt.sibi.usp.br>
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2013 12:06:02 -0300


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Dear all


The Confoa 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I
will be more then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects
or strategies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.

Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and should
be invited to this discussion and so on.

Saray, it is very nice to know that you will participate in the CONFOA
2013, thanks.

I am sending the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period -
October 6th to 9th, 2013 at University of S=E3o Paulo. I am sorry the site =
is
in Portuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?
http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013

Best regards


Sueli Mara Ferreira

Enviado via iPhone

Em 16/06/2013, =E0s 19:19, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
escreveu:

I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.
Best regards,

Saray C=F3rdoba Gonz=E1lez

El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com> 
escribi=
=F3:

We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year.
That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and
identify the right people.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu> wrote:

The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the
process.

http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013

I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including
you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor
speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help
in any way I can.

Best wishes,

Dave Solomon


On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> wrote:

> **
> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what
> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding
> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goa=
l.
> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And
> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. The=
se
> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making thes=
e
> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderfu=
l
> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best practices,
> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would be =
a
> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>
> Just my two cents' worth.
>
> jc
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>
> Dear all,
>
> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda
> llevar a cabo localmente.
>
> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensill=
o
> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA
> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
"nort=
e"
> pueden ayudarnos
>
> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Esta
> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>
> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>
> Carolina
>
>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar <gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.=
cl>
> wrote:
>
>  Dear all,
>
>
>
>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>
> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
> repositories, etc..
> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  have 
also
> contributed to this development.
>
> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>
>   Latin American Repositories Network
>
>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>
>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous access
> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>
> Latin America Thesis Portal
> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>
>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>
>
>
>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>
>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>
>
>
>   The south also exists !
>
>
>
>   -------------------------------------------------
>
>   Gabriela Ort=FAzar
>
>   Director
>
>   Information Services & Library System
>
>   Universidad de Chile
> Tel 56-29782584
>
>   http://www.uchile.cl
>
>   http://m.uchile.cl (m=F3vil)
>
>
>
>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> escribi=F3:
>
>
>    Me parece muy bien,
>
> pero...
>
> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good. Wha=
t
> is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging frui=
ts
> and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they
> can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations.
>
> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the way.
> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged ver=
y
> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>
> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large majority o=
f
> journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to
> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latinde=
x,
> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of
> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore
> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on
> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large
> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form
> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regiona=
l
> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a 
counterweight to
> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asi=
a
> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>
> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and power
> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse
> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a
> wonderful model to follow.
>
> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is the
> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of
> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils tha=
t
> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people t=
o
> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have 
garnered hig=
h
> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>
> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.
>
> Jean-Claude
>
> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
>
>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have
> OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually
> just free access (public access)...
>
>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration=
,
> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
> Que les parece?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
wrote:
>
>
>  Dear all,
> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap
> http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-pl=
atforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>
>
> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI Foru=
m
> news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997),
> Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about ope=
n
> access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>
>
> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the 
south
> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about 
open
> access and to support the local and regional development.
>
>
> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa
> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
> 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/inde=
x.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>
> Best wishes
> Saray
>
> 2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>
> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web of
> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin
> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>
>
> http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientifi=
c%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>
>
>
> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<http=
://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6/=
fulltext
>
>
>
> Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
>
>
>  ***
> Greetings from Vancouver
>
> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth sciences
> librarian, it appears that some journals that
> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>
> For example,
>
>
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<div dir=3D"auto"><div><br>Dear 
all<br><br></div><div><br></div><div>The Co=
nfoa 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I will be=
 more then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects or strat=
egies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.<br>
<br>Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and 
shou=
ld be invited to this discussion and so on.<br><br>Saray, it is 
very nice t=
o know that you will participate in the CONFOA 2013, 
thanks.<br><br>I am se=
nding the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period - October =
6th to 9th, 2013 at University of S=E3o Paulo. I am sorry the site is in Po=
rtuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?<br>
<a 
href=3D"http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013">http://w=
ww.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013</a><br>=A0<br>Best regards<b=
r><br><br>Sueli Mara Ferreira<br><br>Enviado via 
iPhone</div><div><br>Em 16=
/06/2013, =E0s 19:19, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:saraycg 
AT gmail.c=
om" target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; 
escreveu:<br>
<br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>I als=
o be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this 
theme.=A0</div><=
div>Best regards,=A0<br><br>Saray C=F3rdoba 
Gonz=E1lez=A0</div><div><br>El =
16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:carolina.rossini AT gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt; escribi=F3:<b=
r>
<br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div>We will also have the CONFOA =
conference in Brazil in October this year. That could be a great opportunit=
y too, and give us more time to prepare and identify the right 
people.<br>
<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 15, 2013, 
at 2:59 PM, David So=
lomon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dsolomon AT msu.edu" 
target=3D"_blank">dsolomon AT ms=
u.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">
The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the=
 process.=A0<div><br></div><div><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I e=
xpect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including yo=
u Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor sp=
eak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help in =
any way I can.=A0<div>

<br></div><div>Best 
wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Dave 
Solomon</div></di=
v></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sa=
t, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claud=
e.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>

<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u>


 =20
 =20

<div>
What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CL=
ACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for =
a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It =
is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the =
best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, =
is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can=
 be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people mee=
t somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kic=
k things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars.=
 There, they could share experiences and best practices, and they could des=
ign a collective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina.=
 But a lot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the whe=
el.<br>


<br>
Just my two cents&#39; worth.<br>
<br>
jc<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit 
:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la re=
gion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llev=
ar a cabo localmente. <br>
    <br>
    Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarr=
olar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posibl=
e, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en lati=
n america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
&quot;norte&qu=
ot; pueden ayudarnos<br>


    <br>
    Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Es=
ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific d=
ata. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br>
    <br>
    Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br>
    <br>
    Carolina<br>
    <br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar &lt;<a 
href=3D"mai=
lto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt; wr=
ote:
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Dear all,
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in c=
reating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br>
        <br>
        Universities have led several initiatives:=A0optimization of academ=
ic journals, implementing=A0Creative Commons, developing institutional repo=
sitories, etc..<br>
        No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) =
=A0have also contributed to this development.<br>
        <br>
        Some interesting results that I share with you:<br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Latin American Repositories Network=A0
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acce=
ss to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br>
        <br>
        Latin America Thesis Portal<br>
        <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" 
target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
        <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://libro=
s.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        The south also exists !
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font 
color=3D"#005493">-------------------------------------------=
------</font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Gabriela Ort=FAzar
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Director
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Information Services &amp; Library System
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        Universidad de Chile<br>
        Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" 
target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><b=
r>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <font color=3D"#005493"><a 
href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" 
target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl=
</a> (m=F3vil)
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT um=
ontreal.ca</a>&gt; escribi=F3:
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            Me parece muy bien,<br>
            <br>
            pero...<br>
            <br>
            It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of=
 good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-ha=
nging fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be hori=
zons; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operation=
s.<br>


            <br>
            This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads=
 the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that eme=
rged very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>


            <br>
            What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large =
majority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Than=
ks to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Lat=
index, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteri=
a of quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to expl=
ore the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based o=
n Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large =
collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form th=
e basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional pu=
blication in the &quot;grand conversation&quot; of science as a 
counterweig=
ht to the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East=
 Asia can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done, =
science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.<br>


            <br>
            In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right=
 and power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such =
perverse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will h=
ave a wonderful model to follow.<br>


            <br>
            There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America:=
 it is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sec=
tors of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science counci=
ls that are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. =
Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to =
publish in &quot;international&quot; journals (i.e. journals that have 
garn=
ered high IF&#39;s in Thomson-Reuters&#39; JCR). <br>


            <br>
            It might be a good idea to create a site to document such pract=
ices in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterprodu=
ctive. <br>
            <br>
            Jean-Claude<br>
            <br>
            Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still =
do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are=
 actually just free access (public access)...
            </blockquote>
        </blockquote>
    </blockquote>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"CITE">
    <blockquote>
        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarant=
ee that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest decla=
ration, which means licensed under a CC-by license ?=A0<br>
                Que les parece? =A0<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=
=3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Dear all, <br>
                    Latin America is a open access region because open acce=
ss movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the =
Unesco&#39;s Goap=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-a=
nd-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-an=
d-the-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communicat=
ion-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-ameri=
ca-and-the-caribbean/</a>=A0which describes the OA situation from 
different=
 facets.=A0 <br>


                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spa=
nish the BOAI Forum news:=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/1846=
75074889032/" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488=
9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. 
Before =
there was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existe=
d.=A0 <br>


                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind =
us that &quot;the south also exists&quot; and this BOAI Forum is the 
best s=
ite to discuss about open access and to support the local and regional deve=
lopment.=A0 <br>


                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that wil=
l be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit=
:=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> 
<br>


                    <br>
                    Best wishes <br>
                    Saray <br>
                    <br>
                    2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm 
AT gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 <br>
                    <blockquote>
                        Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (=
SciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one=
 is entitled &quot;Latin American Scientific Journals: from &quot;Lost 
Scie=
nce&quot; to Open Access. <br>


                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docum=
ents/Latin%20American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/=
uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,=
%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br>


                        <br>
                        <br>
                        p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la=
ncet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.co=
m/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext 
<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=E7oise 
Salager-Meyer</=
font> <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                            ***<br>
                            Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                            <br>
                            Interestingly enough, at least from the perspec=
tive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals 
that<br>
                            are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scie=
nce and GeoRef.<br>
                            <br>
                            For example,<br>
       
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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Dominique Babini <dasbabini AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2013 09:22:45 -0300


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Dear OA friends,

Greetings from Buenos Aires,

Sorry for the late reaction, due to deadlines this month in the
implementations, together with UNESCO, of recommendations from our group re=
port
after the first UNESCO regional consultation on OA in Latin America and the
Caribbean.<http://www.unesco.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/news=
/report_open_access_en.pdf>In
the report some topics of this discussion are considered.

Thank you Carolina for raising the issue on how to advance OA in Latin
America in this BOAI Forum list.  And thank you Jean-Claude, who in the
North is the most active supporter of the way we, in Latin America and the
Caribbean, are building gold OA in the past 15 years (with
SciELO<http://www.scielo.org/php/index.php?lang=3Den>,
Redalyc <http://www.redalyc.org/home.oa>,
Latindex<http://www.latindex.unam.mx/>and extensive use of
OJS/PKP <http://pkp.sfu.ca/ojs-geog> in university journal collections) 
and
more recently green OA (with a growing collection of institutional
repositories, and now La Referencia
<http://lareferencia.redclara.net/rfr/>-sponsored by
RedCLARA-, <http://www.redclara.net/index.php?lang=3Den> a regional 
agreeme=
nt
among 9 national systems of S&T digital repositories), in a region where
research is mainly government-funded, and OA is well-grounded.

As Saray mentions, our OA mailing list is LLAAR, and has 353 members in the
list <https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/LLAAR>, and 534
members in Facebook-LLAAR 
<http://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/>=
,
both initiatives started by Paola Bongiovani and Nancy Gomez (from
Argentina)

I am now updating the OA LAC region/country profiles I have prepared two
years ago for the UNESCO-GOAP Global Open Access
Portal<http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-a=
nd-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/>.
UNESCO promised to include OA contact people in the updated version of
GOAP, and each contact will propose updates for GOAP.  Considering
Carolina=B4s question =93if the members of this list could play a more acti=
ve
role in supporting regional policy initiatives=94, my perception is that ou=
r
region is one of the most advanced in OA initiatives, but there is a need
for OA policy advocacy, and advocacy for developing our own regional OA
indicators, within:

1. *The science parliamentary commissions* (OA national legislation is
under discussion in Congress in
Brazil<http://kuramoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/pls387_2011.pdf>since
2007 and reentered in 2011,
Argentina<http://www1.hcdn.gov.ar/proyxml/expediente.asp?fundamentos=3Dsi&n=
umexp=3D1927-D-2011>since
2011 and
M=E9xico<http://www.senado.gob.mx/sgsp/gaceta/62/1/2013-03-14-1/assets/docu=
mentos/Ini_Herrera_Anzaldo-CyT_LGE.pdf>2013),
in all cases requiring OA to government-funded research in OA
digital repositories.  Approved in
Per=FA<http://www2.congreso.gob.pe/sicr/comisiones/2012/com2012ciencia.nsf/=
0/cb7c863ded37261e05257b3b007c029c/$FILE/1188_Sustitutoria_27MAR2013.pdf>(2=
013)

2. At regional meetings of *science ministers, education ministers, science
council=B4s authorities* (a first step: science council=B4s authorities are
members of the Global Research Council that has recently issued its OA
Action Plan<http://www.dfg.de/download/pdf/dfg_magazin/internationales/1305=
28_grc_annual_meeting/grc_action_plan_open_access.pdf>)
and also at university
authorities<http://www.unesco.org.ve/index.php?option=3Dcom_content&view=3D=
article&id=3D3203%3Ael-iesalc-llevara-a-cabo-el-v-encuentro-de-redes-univer=
sitarias-y-consejos-de-rectores-de-america-latina-y-el-caribe&catid=3D100%3=
Aen-portada&Itemid=3D449&lang=3Des>meetings.
**

3. At science/education/parliamentary integration meetings of the* regional
political and economic agreements organizations* (ex.
MERCOSUR<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercosur>,
UNASUR <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations>, 
Ande=
an
Community <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_Community>, Pacific
Alliance<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Alliance>),
And  BRICS <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS> for South-South 
cooperation
on OA issues.

We have an OA declaration issued in
LAC<http://www.icml9.org/channel.php?lang=3Des&channel=3D87&content=3D437>(=
Salvador
de Bah=EDa, 2005), sponsored by SciELO, which is not so famous as
the other OA international declarations, but  it stated that =93Developing
countries have pioneering initiatives that promote "Open Access" and,
therefore, should play an important role in shaping the =B4Open Access=B4
worldwide=94.   I completely agree.

As Saray, Dave, Carolina and Sueli mention, dialogue may continue at
BIREDIAL <http://biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai> (Costa
Rica, Octobrer 15-17), PKP-UNAM <http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013> (M=E9xico, 
Augu=
st
19-21), CONFOA 
<http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013>(USP=
,
Brazil, 6-9 October) and CC
Global Summit <http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Global_Summit_2013> 
(Buenos
Aires, 21-24 August) Conferences

Abrazos,

Dominique





Dra. Dominique Babini
* Latin America Council on Social Sciences-CLACSO/Open Access Program
Coordinator
* University of Buenos Aires-IIGG/Open access scholarly communications
researcher
* UNESCO-GOAP Global Open Access Portal/Latin America Contributor
* International Social Science Council-ISSC/ Editor Open Access Web
Resources

Publications<http://eprints.rclis.org/view/creators/Babini=3D3ADominique=3D=
3A=3D3A.html>

Mail: dasbabini AT gmail.com
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2013/6/17 Sueli Mara Soares Pinto Ferreira <sueli.ferreira AT 
dt.sibi.usp.br>

>
> Dear all
>
>
> The Confoa 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I
> will be more then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects
> or strategies, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.
>
> Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and should
> be invited to this discussion and so on.
>
> Saray, it is very nice to know that you will participate in the CONFOA
> 2013, thanks.
>
> I am sending the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period -
> October 6th to 9th, 2013 at University of S=E3o Paulo. I am sorry the sit=
e is
> in Portuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?
> http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013
>
> Best regards
>
>
> Sueli Mara Ferreira
>
> Enviado via iPhone
>
> Em 16/06/2013, =E0s 19:19, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
escreveu:
>
> I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.
> Best regards,
>
> Saray C=F3rdoba Gonz=E1lez
>
> El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
> escribi=F3:
>
> We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year.
> That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare a=
nd
> identify the right people.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu> 
wrote:
>
> The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start
> the process.
>
> http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013
>
> I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe
> including you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin
> America nor speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and
> happy to help in any way I can.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Dave Solomon
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> wrote:
>
>> **
>> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not 
what
>> CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of 
funding
>> for a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this 
go=
al.
>> It is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. 
An=
d
>> the best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the
>> operation, is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. 
Th=
ese
>> people can be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making 
the=
se
>> people meet somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a 
wonderf=
ul
>> way to kick things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a
>> 100,000 dollars. There, they could share experiences and best 
practices,
>> and they could design a collective strategy to achieve the goal just
>> pointed out by Carolina. But a lot has been done already and it would 
be=
 a
>> pity to reinvent the wheel.
>>
>> Just my two cents' worth.
>>
>> jc
>>
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit :
>>
>> Dear all,
>>
>> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la
>> region y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se 
pueda
>> llevar a cabo localmente.
>>
>> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo
>> desarrolar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas 
sensil=
lo
>> posible, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en 
O=
A
>> en latin america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
"nor=
te"
>> pueden ayudarnos
>>
>> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. 
Est=
a
>> largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific
>> data. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.
>>
>> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?
>>
>> Carolina
>>
>>  On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar <gortuzar AT 
u.uchile=
.cl>
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Dear all,
>>
>>
>>
>>   I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in
>> creating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.
>>
>> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of academic
>> journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional
>> repositories, etc..
>> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP)  
have also
>> contributed to this development.
>>
>> Some interesting results that I share with you:
>>
>>   Latin American Repositories Network
>>
>>   http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/
>>
>>   developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous 
access
>> to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.
>>
>> Latin America Thesis Portal
>> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/
>>
>>   Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
>>
>>
>>
>>   Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)
>> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/
>>
>>
>>
>>   Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
>>
>>   http://libros.uchile.cl/
>>
>>
>>
>>   The south also exists !
>>
>>
>>
>>   -------------------------------------------------
>>
>>   Gabriela Ort=FAzar
>>
>>   Director
>>
>>   Information Services & Library System
>>
>>   Universidad de Chile
>> Tel 56-29782584
>>
>>   http://www.uchile.cl
>>
>>   http://m.uchile.cl (m=F3vil)
>>
>>
>>
>>   El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <
>> jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> escribi=F3:
>>
>>
>>    Me parece muy bien,
>>
>> pero...
>>
>> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of good.
>> What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start 
low-hangin=
g
>> fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be 
horizon=
s;
>> they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of 
operations.
>>
>> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads the 
way.
>> Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged 
ve=
ry
>> recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.
>>
>> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large 
majority
>> of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks 
to
>> projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as 
Latind=
ex,
>> and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria 
of
>> quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to 
explor=
e
>> the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based 
on
>> Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These 
large
>> collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can 
form
>> the basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a 
region=
al
>> publication in the "grand conversation" of science as a 
counterweight to
>> the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East 
As=
ia
>> can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done,
>> science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.
>>
>> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right and 
powe=
r
>> to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such 
perverse
>> tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have 
a
>> wonderful model to follow.
>>
>> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: it is 
th=
e
>> very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors 
of
>> Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils 
th=
at
>> are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g.
>> Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for 
people =
to
>> publish in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have 
garnered hi=
gh
>> IF's in Thomson-Reuters' JCR).
>>
>> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practices in
>> order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and 
counterproductive=
.
>>
>> Jean-Claude
>>
>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
>>
>>    This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not
>> have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are
>> actually just free access (public access)...
>>
>>     So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that
>> all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest 
declaratio=
n,
>> which means licensed under a CC-by license ?
>> Que les parece?
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba <saraycg AT 
gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>  Dear all,
>> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is
>> stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's 
Goa=
p
>> 
http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-p=
latforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which
>> describes the OA situation from different facets.
>>
>>
>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI
>> Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex
>> (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was 
talked
>> about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.
>>
>>
>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that 
"the sout=
h
>> also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss 
about open
>> access and to support the local and regional development.
>>
>>
>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in 
Cost=
a
>> Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit:
>> 
http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/<http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/ind=
ex.php/Biredial2013/ai>
>>
>> Best wishes
>> Saray
>>
>> 2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>>
>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web 
of
>> science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled 
"Latin
>> American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open 
Access.
>>
>>
>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientif=
ic%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>>
>>
>>
>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600<htt=
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600>-6=
/fulltext
>>
>>
>>
>> Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer
>>
>>
>>  ***
>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>
>> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth 
sciences
>> librarian, it appears that some journals that
>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>>
>> For example,
>>
>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><p class=3D""><span 
lang=3D"EN-US">Dear OA
friends,</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US">Greetings
from Buenos Aires,</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US">Sorry for
the late reaction, due to deadlines this month in the implementations, toge=
ther
with UNESCO, of recommendations from our group <a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco=
.org/new/fileadmin/MULTIMEDIA/HQ/CI/CI/pdf/news/report_open_access_en.pdf">=
report
after the first UNESCO regional consultation on OA in Latin America and the
Caribbean.</a> In the report some topics of this discussion are 
considered.=
</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thank you
Carolina for raising the issue on </span><span 
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font=
-size:10pt;line-height:115%;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">how to 
advance OA=
 in Latin America in
this BOAI Forum list. =A0And thank you
Jean-Claude, who in the North is the most active supporter of the way we, i=
n
Latin America and the Caribbean, are building gold OA in the past 15 years
(with <a 
href=3D"http://www.scielo.org/php/index.php?lang=3Den">SciELO</a>,=
 <a href=3D"http://www.redalyc.org/home.oa">Redalyc</a>, 
<a href=3D"http://=
www.latindex.unam.mx/">Latindex</a> and extensive use of <a 
href=3D"http://=
pkp.sfu.ca/ojs-geog">OJS/PKP</a> in university journal 
collections)
and more recently green OA (with a growing collection of institutional
repositories, and now <a 
href=3D"http://lareferencia.redclara.net/rfr/"><sp=
an style=3D"text-decoration:none">La 
Referencia</span></a> -sponsored
by <a 
href=3D"http://www.redclara.net/index.php?lang=3Den">RedCLARA-,</a> a
regional agreement among 9 national systems of S&amp;T digital 
repositories=
),
in a region where research is mainly government-funded, and OA is
well-grounded.=A0 </span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">As Saray mentions, our OA mailing list 
is LL=
AAR, and has 353 members in
the <a 
href=3D"https://groups.google.com/forum/?fromgroups#!forum/LLAAR">li=
st</a>,
and 534 members in <a 
href=3D"http://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488903=
2/">Facebook-LLAAR</a>,
both initiatives started by Paola Bongiovani and Nancy Gomez (from Argentin=
a)</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">I am now updating the OA LAC 
region/country =
profiles I have prepared two
years ago for the <a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and=
-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-=
the-caribbean/">UNESCO-GOAP
Global Open Access Portal</a>. UNESCO promised to include OA contact 
people=
 in
the updated version of GOAP, and each contact will propose updates for GOAP=
.=A0 Considering Carolina=B4s question =93if the
members of this list could play a more active role in supporting regional
policy initiatives=94, my perception is that our region is one of the most
advanced in OA initiatives, but there
is a need for OA policy advocacy, and advocacy for developing our own regio=
nal
OA indicators, within:</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">1. <b>The science parliamentary
commissions</b> (OA national legislation is under discussion in Congress 
in=
 <a 
href=3D"http://kuramoto.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/pls387_2011.pdf">Br=
azil</a>
since 2007 and reentered in 2011, <a 
href=3D"http://www1.hcdn.gov.ar/proyxm=
l/expediente.asp?fundamentos=3Dsi&amp;numexp=3D1927-D-2011">Argentina</a>
since 2011 and <a 
href=3D"http://www.senado.gob.mx/sgsp/gaceta/62/1/2013-03=
-14-1/assets/documentos/Ini_Herrera_Anzaldo-CyT_LGE.pdf">M=E9xico</a>
2013), in all cases requiring OA to government-funded research in OA digita=
l
repositories.=A0 Approved in <a 
href=3D"http://www2.congreso.gob.pe/sicr/co=
misiones/2012/com2012ciencia.nsf/0/cb7c863ded37261e05257b3b007c029c/$FILE/1=
188_Sustitutoria_27MAR2013.pdf">Per=FA</a>
(2013)</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">2. At regional meetings of 
<b>science
ministers, education ministers, science council=B4s authorities</b> (a 
firs=
t
step: science council=B4s authorities are members of the Global Research Co=
uncil
that has recently issued its <a 
href=3D"http://www.dfg.de/download/pdf/dfg_=
magazin/internationales/130528_grc_annual_meeting/grc_action_plan_open_acce=
ss.pdf">OA
Action Plan</a>) and also at <a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org.ve/index.php?=
option=3Dcom_content&amp;view=3Darticle&amp;id=3D3203%3Ael-iesalc-llevara-a=
-cabo-el-v-encuentro-de-redes-universitarias-y-consejos-de-rectores-de-amer=
ica-latina-y-el-caribe&amp;catid=3D100%3Aen-portada&amp;Itemid=3D449&amp;la=
ng=3Des">university
authorities</a> meetings.=A0 <b></b></span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">3. At science/education/parliamentary 
integr=
ation meetings of the<b>
regional political and economic agreements organizations</b> (ex. <a 
href=
=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercosur">MERCOSUR</a>, 
<a href=3D"http:/=
/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations">UNASUR</a>,
<a 
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andean_Community">Andean 
Community=
</a>, <a 
href=3D"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Alliance">Pacific 
Al=
liance</a>),
And=A0 <a 
href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BRICS">BRICS</a> for 
South-S=
outh cooperation
on OA issues.</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">We have an <a 
href=3D"http://www.icml9.org/c=
hannel.php?lang=3Des&amp;channel=3D87&amp;content=3D437">OA
declaration issued in LAC</a> (Salvador de Bah=EDa, 2005), sponsored by 
Sci=
ELO, which
is not so famous as the other OA international declarations, but =A0it stat=
ed that =93Developing countries have
pioneering initiatives that promote &quot;Open Access&quot; and, 
therefore,
should play an important role in shaping the =B4Open Access=B4 worldwide=94=
.=A0 =A0</span><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;l=
ine-height:115%">I completely agree.</span><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial=
,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:115%">=A0=A0</span></p>
<p class=3D""><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;li=
ne-height:115%">As Saray,
Dave, Carolina and Sueli mention, dialogue may continue at </span><a 
href=
=3D"http://biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai" 
style=3D"font-=
family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:115%">BIREDIAL</a><span =
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:115%">
(Costa Rica, Octobrer 15-17), </span><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013" =
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-height:115%">PKP-=
UNAM</a><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;line-hei=
ght:115%">
(M=E9xico, August 19-21), </span><a 
href=3D"http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/in=
dex.php/confoa2013/2013" 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10=
pt;line-height:115%">CONFOA</a><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;=
font-size:10pt;line-height:115%"> (USP,
Brazil, 6-9 October) and </span><a 
href=3D"http://wiki.creativecommons.org/=
Global_Summit_2013" 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif;font-size:10pt;li=
ne-height:115%">CC Global Summit</a><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-s=
erif;font-size:10pt;line-height:115%">
(Buenos Aires, 21-24 August) Conferences</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Abrazos,</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dominique</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;line-height:115%=
;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">=A0</span></p>

<p class=3D""><span 
lang=3D"EN-US">=A0</span></p>

<p class=3D"" 
style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=
=3D"font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Dra. Dominique
Babini</span><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,=
sans-serif"><br>
* Latin America Council on Social Sciences-CLACSO/Open Access Program
Coordinator<br>
* University of Buenos Aires-IIGG/Open access scholarly communications
researcher<br>
* UNESCO-GOAP Global Open Access Portal/Latin America Contributor<br>
* International Social Science Council-ISSC/ Editor Open Access Web Resourc=
es</span></p>

<p class=3D"" 
style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span 
style=3D"font-size:8pt=
"><a 
href=3D"http://eprints.rclis.org/view/creators/Babini=3D3ADominique=3D=
3A=3D3A.html"><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">P=
ublications</span></a></span><span 
lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:8pt;fo=
nt-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></p>


<p class=3D"" 
style=3D"margin-bottom:0.0001pt"><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=
=3D"font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif">Mail: <a 
href=3D"mailto:das=
babini AT gmail.com">dasbabini AT gmail.com</a><br>
Skype: dominique.babini<br>
Twitter: =A0 AT dominiquebabini</span></p>

<p class=3D"" style=3D"margin-bottom:12pt"><span 
style=3D"font-size:8pt;fon=
t-family:Arial,sans-serif"><br>
CLACSO - Estados Unidos 1168 (C1101AAX) Buenos Aires, Argentina<br>
Tel.: (54-11) 4304-9145/9505 =A0Fax: (54-11) 4305-0875<br>
</span><span style=3D"font-size:8pt"><a 
href=3D"http://www.clacso.org/" tar=
get=3D"_blank"><span 
style=3D"font-family:Arial,sans-serif">www.clacso.org<=
/span></a></span><span 
style=3D"font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"=
><br>

<br>
</span><span 
style=3D"font-size:8pt;font-family:Arial,sans-serif"></span></=
p>

<p class=3D"">=A0</p></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">2013/6/17 Sueli Mara Soares Pinto Ferreira <span 
dir=3D"ltr">=
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sueli.ferreira AT dt.sibi.usp.br" 
target=3D"_blank">suel=
i.ferreira AT dt.sibi.usp.br</a>&gt;</span><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div 
class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div=
 dir=3D"auto"><div><br>Dear 
all<br><br></div><div><br></div><div>The Confoa=
 2013 will be in my university and I am the coordinator, then I will be mor=
e then happy to organize a meeting to talk about some projects or strategie=
s, as proposed by Jean Claude Guedon and Carolina.<br>

<br>Please, let me know what I can do about that, who will be here and 
shou=
ld be invited to this discussion and so on.<br><br>Saray, it is 
very nice t=
o know that you will participate in the CONFOA 2013, 
thanks.<br><br>I am se=
nding the CONFOA 2013 URL again, then you can confirm the period - October =
6th to 9th, 2013 at University of S=E3o Paulo. I am sorry the site is in Po=
rtuguese, but I can help who needs any information, ok?<br>

<a href=3D"http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013" 
target=
=3D"_blank">http://www.acessoaberto.pt/c/index.php/confoa2013/2013</a><br>=
=A0<br>Best regards<br><br><br>Sueli Mara 
Ferreira<br><br>Enviado via iPhon=
e</div>
<div><br>Em 16/06/2013, =E0s 19:19, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:s=
araycg AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt; escreveu:<br>
<br></div><div><span></span></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div>I als=
o be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this 
theme.=A0</div><=
div>Best regards,=A0<br><br>Saray C=F3rdoba 
Gonz=E1lez=A0</div><div><br>El =
16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina &lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:carolina.rossini AT gm=
ail.com" target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt; escribi=F3:<b=
r>

<br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div>We will also have the CONFOA =
conference in Brazil in October this year. That could be a great opportunit=
y too, and give us more time to prepare and identify the right 
people.<br>

<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 15, 2013, 
at 2:59 PM, David So=
lomon &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:dsolomon AT msu.edu" 
target=3D"_blank">dsolomon AT ms=
u.edu</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=
=3D"ltr">

The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to start the=
 process.=A0<div><br></div><div><a 
href=3D"http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I e=
xpect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including yo=
u Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor sp=
eak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help in =
any way I can.=A0<div>


<br></div><div>Best 
wishes,</div><div><br></div><div>Dave 
Solomon</div></di=
v></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sa=
t, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a h=
ref=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claud=
e.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>


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What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CL=
ACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for =
a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It =
is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the =
best ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, =
is to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can=
 be identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people mee=
t somewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kic=
k things off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars.=
 There, they could share experiences and best practices, and they could des=
ign a collective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina.=
 But a lot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the whe=
el.<br>



<br>
Just my two cents&#39; worth.<br>
<br>
jc<br>
<br>
Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =E9crit 
:<br>
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    Dear all,<br>
    <br>
    Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la re=
gion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llev=
ar a cabo localmente. <br>
    <br>
    Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarr=
olar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posibl=
e, pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en lati=
n america y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del 
&quot;norte&qu=
ot; pueden ayudarnos<br>



    <br>
    Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Es=
ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific d=
ata. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br>
    <br>
    Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br>
    <br>
    Carolina<br>
    <br>
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    On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=FAzar &lt;<a 
href=3D"mai=
lto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT 
u.uchile.cl</a>&gt; wr=
ote:
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        Dear all,
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        <br>
        <br>
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        I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in c=
reating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br>
        <br>
        Universities have led several initiatives:=A0optimization of academ=
ic journals, implementing=A0Creative Commons, developing institutional repo=
sitories, etc..<br>
        No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS &amp; OMP) =
=A0have also contributed to this development.<br>
        <br>
        Some interesting results that I share with you:<br>
        <br>
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        Latin American Repositories Network=A0
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    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" 
target=3D=
"_blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a>
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        developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acce=
ss to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br>
        <br>
        Latin America Thesis Portal<br>
        <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" 
target=3D"_blank">ht=
tp://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a>
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        Simultaneous access to 40 universities.
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        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
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        Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br>
        <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http:/=
/www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a>
    </blockquote>
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        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
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        Electronic books (OMP / PKP)
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    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://libro=
s.uchile.cl/</a>
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        <br>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
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        The south also exists !
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        <br>
        <br>
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        <font 
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    <blockquote>
        Gabriela Ort=FAzar
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    <blockquote>
        Director
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        Information Services &amp; Library System
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    <blockquote>
        Universidad de Chile<br>
        Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" 
target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><b=
r>
        <br>
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    <blockquote>
        <font color=3D"#005493"><a 
href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"=
_blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font>
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    <blockquote>
        <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" 
target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl=
</a> (m=F3vil)
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        <br>
    </blockquote>
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    <blockquote>
        <br>
    </blockquote>
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    <blockquote>
        El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT um=
ontreal.ca</a>&gt; escribi=F3:
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        <br>
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        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            Me parece muy bien,<br>
            <br>
            pero...<br>
            <br>
            It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of=
 good. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-ha=
nging fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be hori=
zons; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operation=
s.<br>



            <br>
            This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads=
 the way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that eme=
rged very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br>



            <br>
            What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large =
majority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Than=
ks to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Lat=
index, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteri=
a of quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to expl=
ore the possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based o=
n Redclara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large =
collections of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form th=
e basis for an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional pu=
blication in the &quot;grand conversation&quot; of science as a 
counterweig=
ht to the present publishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East=
 Asia can imagine developing similar publication poles. When that is done, =
science will have achieved a healthy form of internationalization.<br>



            <br>
            In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right=
 and power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such =
perverse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will h=
ave a wonderful model to follow.<br>



            <br>
            There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America:=
 it is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sec=
tors of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science counci=
ls that are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. =
Colombia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to =
publish in &quot;international&quot; journals (i.e. journals that have 
garn=
ered high IF&#39;s in Thomson-Reuters&#39; JCR). <br>



            <br>
            It might be a good idea to create a site to document such pract=
ices in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterprodu=
ctive. <br>
            <br>
            Jean-Claude<br>
            <br>
            Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =E0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =E9crit :
        </blockquote>
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        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still =
do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are=
 actually just free access (public access)...
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    </blockquote>
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        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
            <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarant=
ee that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest decla=
ration, which means licensed under a CC-by license ?=A0<br>
                Que les parece? =A0<br>
                <br>
                Sent from my iPhone<br>
                <br>
                On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=F3rdoba &lt;<a 
href=
=3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br>
                <br>
                <br>
                <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                    Dear all, <br>
                    Latin America is a open access region because open acce=
ss movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the =
Unesco&#39;s Goap=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-a=
nd-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-an=
d-the-caribbean/" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communicat=
ion-and-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-ameri=
ca-and-the-caribbean/</a>=A0which describes the OA situation from 
different=
 facets.=A0 <br>



                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spa=
nish the BOAI Forum news:=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/1846=
75074889032/" 
target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488=
9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. 
Before =
there was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existe=
d.=A0 <br>



                    <br>
                    <br>
                    Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind =
us that &quot;the south also exists&quot; and this BOAI Forum is the 
best s=
ite to discuss about open access and to support the local and regional deve=
lopment.=A0 <br>



                    <br>
                    <br>
                    We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that wil=
l be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit=
:=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"=
 target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> 
<br>



                    <br>
                    Best wishes <br>
                    Saray <br>
                    <br>
                    2013/6/13 Fran=E7oise Salager-Meyer &lt;<a 
href=3D"mail=
to:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm 
AT gmail.com</a>&gt;=
 <br>
                    <blockquote>
                        Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (=
SciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one=
 is entitled &quot;Latin American Scientific Journals: from &quot;Lost 
Scie=
nce&quot; to Open Access. <br>



                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docum=
ents/Latin%20American%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/=
uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,=
%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br>



                        <br>
                        <br>
                        p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/la=
ncet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.co=
m/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext 
<br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=E7oise 
Salager-Meyer</=
font> <br>
                        <br>
                        <br>
                        <blockquote type=3D"CITE">
                            ***<br>
                            Greetings from Vancouver<br>
                            <br>
                            Interestingly enough, at least from the perspec=
tive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals 
that<br>
                            are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scie=
nce and GeoRef.<br>
                            <br>
                            For example,<br>
       
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