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[BOAI] "Let them pay or let them wait"

From: Stevan Harnad <amsciforum AT gmail.com>
Date: Wed, 23 Dec 2015 08:21:07 -0500


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On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Wise, Alicia (ELS-OXF) <A.Wise AT 
elsevier.co=
m
> wrote:

> Hi Thomas -
>
> All our authors, no matter where in the world they are, have both gold an=
d
> green Open Access publishing options.
>
> With best wishes for a peaceful and relaxing holiday season,
>
> Alicia
>
Elsevier Limited. Registered Office: The Boulevard, Langford Lane,
> Kidlington, Oxford, OX5 1GB, United Kingdom, Registration No. 1982084,
> Registered in England and Wales.


Translation of Alicia=E2=80=99s Xmas message:

"Let them pay (gold fees) or let them wait (green embargoes)."

I add only that they can (if they have any sense at all) completely ignore
all of Elsevier=E2=80=99s absurd, incoherent, and ever-changing double-talk
<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=3Dsearch&s=
erendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=3Dsystematic&serendipity%5BsearchButton%5D=3D%3E=
>
about
green and make their refereed, revised final drafts green OA immediately
upon acceptance for publication -- by self-archiving them. (Those who don't
have only themselves to blame.)

With best wishes for a peaceful and relaxing holiday season,

Stevan


> On 22 Dec 2015, at 17:39, Thomas Herv=C3=A9 Mboa Nkoudou <thomasmboa AT 
gmai=
l.com>
> wrote:
>
> On this post,
>
>
> http://www.scidev.net/global/publishing/news/elsevier-african-open-access=
-journal.html
> ,
>
> Elsevier plans an African Open Journals, using the Gold voice. But for me=
,
> it is not the right way for us (Africa).
>
> I want all GOAL members to join me in an open letter adressed to Elsevier=
,
> with the objective to claim the full green voice for Africa.
>
> Since I am an African searcher, your support will be helpful
>
>
>

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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Wed, Dec 23, 2015 at 2:42 AM, Wise, Alicia 
(ELS-OXF)=C2=
=A0<span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:A.Wise 
AT elsevier.com" target=3D"_=
blank">A.Wise AT 
elsevier.com</a>&gt;</span>=C2=A0wrote:<br><div 
class=3D"gmai=
l_extra"><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote 
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=
=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 
0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(20=
4,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div 
dir=3D"auto"><div=
>Hi Thomas -</div><div><br></div><div>All our 
authors, no matter where in t=
he world they are, have both gold and green Open Access publishing options.=
</div><div><br></div><div>With best wishes for a 
peaceful and relaxing holi=
day 
season,</div><div><br></div><div>Alicia<br></div></div></blockquote><di=
v><div dir=3D"auto"><blockquote 
class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);borde=
r-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><span 
style=3D"font-size:10pt;font-fam=
ily:Arial,sans-serif">Elsevier Limited. Registered Office: The 
Boulevard, L=
angford Lane, Kidlington, Oxford, OX5 1GB, United Kingdom, Registration No.=
 1982084, Registered in England and 
Wales.</span>=C2=A0</blockquote><div><b=
r></div></div></div><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;f=
ont-size:12px">Translation of Alicia=E2=80=99s Xmas 
message:</span><div sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><div=
 style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">&quot;Let =
them pay (gold fees) or let them wait (green 
embargoes).&quot;</div><div st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div><di=
v 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">I 
add onl=
y that they can (if they have any sense at all) completely ignore all of El=
sevier=E2=80=99s absurd, incoherent, and ever-changing=C2=A0<a 
href=3D"http=
://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?serendipity%5Baction%5D=3Dsearch&amp;se=
rendipity%5BsearchTerm%5D=3Dsystematic&amp;serendipity%5BsearchButton%5D=3D=
%3E">double-talk</a>=C2=A0about green and make their refereed, 
revised fina=
l drafts green OA immediately upon acceptance for publication -- by self-ar=
chiving them. (Those who don&#39;t have only themselves to 
blame.)</div><di=
v 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><br></div=
><div 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><div =
class=3D"">With best wishes for a peaceful and relaxing holiday 
season,</di=
v><div class=3D""><br></div><div 
class=3D"">Stevan</div></div><div>=C2=A0</=
div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 
0px 0px 0.8ex;bor=
der-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:sol=
id;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto"><div>On 22 
Dec 2015, at 17:39, Thoma=
s Herv=C3=A9 Mboa Nkoudou &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:thomasmboa AT 
gmail.com" targe=
t=3D"_blank">thomasmboa AT gmail.com</a>&gt; 
wrote:</div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite"><div 
dir=3D"ltr"><div><div><div>On this 
post,<br><br><a href=3D"http:/=
/www.scidev.net/global/publishing/news/elsevier-african-open-access-journal=
.html" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.scidev.net/global/publishing/news/elsev=
ier-african-open-access-journal.html</a>,=C2=A0<br><br></div>Elsevier plans=
 an African Open Journals, using the Gold voice. But for me, it is not the =
right way for us (Africa).=C2=A0<br><br></div>I want all GOAL 
members to jo=
in me in an open letter adressed to Elsevier, with the objective to claim t=
he full green voice for Africa.=C2=A0<br><br></div>Since I am 
an African se=
archer, your support will be 
helpful</div></blockquote><div><div dir=3D"ltr=
"><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></div></div>

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