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[BOAI] Re: [sparc-oaforum] Open access: What price affordability?

From: Stevan Harnad <amsciforum AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 15 Aug 2014 09:48:59 -0400


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On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Richard Poynder <
ricky AT richardpoynder.co.uk> wrote:

>
>
> [W]hat if funders, governments and research institutions ceased providing
> money for researchers to pay to publish, and instead insisted that they
> continue publishing in subscription journals=E2=80=94but always self-arch=
ived their
> papers in OA repositories (green OA)? Would this not mean that publishers
> would have to compete with repositories in access provision? And would th=
ey
> not as a result lower their prices? And if they did, could we not hope to
> see both the accessibility and affordability problems resolved?
>

It's enough to cease providing money for researchers to pay to publish
(gold OA) -- no need to insist that they continue publishing in
subscription journals, just that the always self-archive their paper in
their institutional OA repository (green OA) immediately upon acceptance
for publication. Nature will take care of the rest (a transition from
today's access-denial, embargoes and fool's gold to universal green OA,
fair gold, and all the re-use rights
<https://www.google.com/webhp?tbm=3Dblg&gws_rd=3Dssl#q=3Dharnad+re-use+righ=
ts&tbm=3Dblg>
for which some are so impatient (but which they have no better or faster
way to reach). (By the way, the repositories' automated request-copy
<http://j.mp/RequestCopyButton> Button
<https://www.google.com/webhp?tbm=3Dblg&gws_rd=3Dssl#q=3Dharnad+button&tbm=
=3Dblg> will
tide over any publisher green OA embargoes with just one click from a user
to request -- and one click from the author to provide -- a single copy for
research purposes.)


Harnad, S (2014) The only way to make inflated journal subscriptions
unsustainable: Mandate Green Open Access
<http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscrip=
tions-unsustainable-harnad/>
. *LSE Impact of Social Sciences Blog **4/28*
http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscript=
ions-unsustainable-harnad/


Sale, A., Couture, M., Rodrigues, E., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. (2012) Open
Access Mandates and the "Fair Dealing" Button
<http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/>. In: *Dynamic Fair Dealing:
Creating Canadian Culture Online* (Rosemary J. Coombe & Darren Wershler,
Eds.) http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/

Stevan Harnad



On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 6:52 AM, Richard Poynder <richard.poynder AT 
gmail.com=
>
wrote:

> =E2=80=8BI have had an editorial published in ecancer journal with the ab=
ove
> title.
>
>
>
> The final two paragraphs read:
>
>
>
> [W]hat if funders, governments and research institutions ceased providing
> money for researchers to pay to publish, and instead insisted that they
> continue publishing in subscription journals=E2=80=94but always self-arch=
ived their
> papers in OA repositories (green OA)? Would this not mean that publishers
> would have to compete with repositories in access provision? And would th=
ey
> not as a result lower their prices? And if they did, could we not hope to
> see both the accessibility and affordability problems resolved?
>
>
>
> Some will respond that in the wake of the pushback against the Finch
> Report, and the subsequent gold OA policy announced in 2013 by Research
> Councils UK, the trend now is in any case to introduce green OA mandates.
> But these mandates still sometimes expect researchers to prefer gold OA,
> and are usually accompanied by APC funds. Moreover, the requirements of a
> green OA mandate can in any case be met by paying to publish in a gold OA
> journal. For so long as funders offer to pay their APCs, therefore, most
> researchers will likely choose that option, if only because it is much
> easier.
>
>
>
>
> http://ecancer.org/journal/editorial/41-open-access-what-price-affordabil=
ity.php
> =E2=80=8B
>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">On Fri, Aug 15, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Richard 
Poynder=C2=A0<sp=
an dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ricky AT 
richardpoynder.co.uk" target=3D"=
_blank">ricky AT 
richardpoynder.co.uk</a>&gt;</span>=C2=A0wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 
0.8ex;border-left-width=
:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-lef=
t:1ex">
<div link=3D"#0563C1" vlink=3D"#954F72" 
lang=3D"EN-GB"><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l">=C2=A0<br></p><p 
class=3D"MsoNormal"><u></u></p><p 
class=3D"MsoNormal">[=
W]hat if funders, governments and research institutions ceased providing mo=
ney for researchers to pay to publish, and instead insisted that they conti=
nue publishing in subscription journals=E2=80=94but always self-archived th=
eir papers in OA repositories (green OA)? Would this not mean that publishe=
rs would have to compete with repositories in access provision? And would t=
hey not as a result lower their prices? And if they did, could we not hope =
to see both the accessibility and affordability problems resolved?</p>
</div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It&#39;s enough to cease providing m=
oney for researchers to pay to publish (gold OA) -- no need to insist that =
they continue publishing in subscription journals, just that the always sel=
f-archive their paper in their institutional OA repository (green OA) immed=
iately upon acceptance for publication. Nature will take care of the rest (=
a transition from today&#39;s access-denial, embargoes and fool&#39;s 
gold =
to universal green OA, fair gold, and all the <a 
href=3D"https://www.google=
.com/webhp?tbm=3Dblg&amp;gws_rd=3Dssl#q=3Dharnad+re-use+rights&amp;tbm=3Dbl=
g">re-use rights</a> for which some are so impatient (but which 
they have n=
o better or faster way to reach). (By the way, the repositories&#39; 
automa=
ted=C2=A0<a 
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+button&amp;tbm=3Dblg">Button</a>=C2=A0will tide over any 
publisher green O=
A embargoes with just one click from a user to request -- and one click fro=
m the author to provide -- a single copy for research purposes.)</div>
<div><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 
40px;font-family:&#39;Times =
New Roman&#39;;color:rgb(0,0,238)"><br></p><p 
class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0p=
x 0px 0px 40px;font-family:&#39;Times New 
Roman&#39;;color:rgb(0,0,238)"><s=
pan class=3D"" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><span 
style=3D"font-family:Times"=
>Harnad, S (2014)=C2=A0</span><a 
href=3D"http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsoc=
ialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/" 
style=
=3D"font-family:Times">The only way to make inflated journal 
subscriptions =
unsustainable: Mandate Green Open Access</a><span 
style=3D"font-family:Time=
s">.=C2=A0</span><i 
style=3D"font-family:Times">LSE Impact of Social Scienc=
es Blog=C2=A0</i><i 
style=3D"font-family:Times">4/28</i><a 
href=3D"http://b=
logs.lse.ac.uk/impactofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-uns=
ustainable-harnad/" 
style=3D"font-family:Times">http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/impa=
ctofsocialsciences/2014/04/28/inflated-subscriptions-unsustainable-harnad/<=
/a><br>
</span></p><p class=3D"" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 
0px 40px;font-family:&#39;=
Times New Roman&#39;;color:rgb(0,0,238)"><br></p><p 
class=3D"" style=3D"mar=
gin:0px 0px 0px 40px;font-family:&#39;Times New 
Roman&#39;;color:rgb(0,0,0)=
">Sale, A., Couture, M., Rodrigues, E., Carr, L. and Harnad, S. 
(2012)=C2=
=A0<a href=3D"http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/"><span 
class=3D"" style=
=3D"color:rgb(0,0,238)">Open Access Mandates and the 
&quot;Fair Dealing&quo=
t; Button</span></a>. In:=C2=A0<i>Dynamic Fair Dealing: 
Creating Canadian C=
ulture Online</i>=C2=A0(Rosemary J. Coombe &amp; Darren Wershler, 
Eds.)=C2=
=A0<span class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,238)"><a href=3D"http://eprints.=
ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/">http://eprints.ecs.soton.ac.uk/18511/</a></span></p=
>
</div><div><span class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,238)"><br></span></div><=
div><span class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)">Stevan 
Harnad</span></div><=
div><span class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0)"><br></span></div><div class=
=3D"gmail_extra">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, Aug 15, 
2014 at 6:52 AM, Richard=
 Poynder <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a 
href=3D"mailto:richard.poynder AT gmail.com"=
 target=3D"_blank">richard.poynder AT 
gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><bloc=
kquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1px #cc=
c solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div dir=3D"ltr"><div 
style=3D"font-family:&#39;trebuchet ms&#39;,sans-seri=
f;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)">=E2=80=8B<span 
style=3D"font-family:a=
rial;font-size:small;color:rgb(34,34,34)">I have had an editorial 
published=
 in ecancer journal with
the above title.</span></div><p 
class=3D"MsoNormal"></p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">The final two paragraphs read:</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">[W]hat if funders, governments and 
research institut=
ions
ceased providing money for researchers to pay to publish, and instead insis=
ted
that they continue publishing in subscription journals=E2=80=94but always s=
elf-archived
their papers in OA repositories (green OA)? Would this not mean that publis=
hers
would have to compete with repositories in access provision? And would they=
 not
as a result lower their prices? And if they did, could we not hope to see b=
oth
the accessibility and affordability problems resolved?</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Some will respond that in the wake of 
the pushback a=
gainst
the Finch Report, and the subsequent gold OA policy announced in 2013 by
Research Councils UK, the trend now is in any case to introduce green OA
mandates. But these mandates still sometimes expect researchers to prefer g=
old
OA, and are usually accompanied by APC funds. Moreover, the requirements of=
 a
green OA mandate can in any case be met by paying to publish in a gold OA
journal. For so long as funders offer to pay their APCs, therefore, most re=
searchers
will likely choose that option, if only because it is much easier.</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0</p>

<p class=3D"MsoNormal"></p><div 
style=3D"font-family:&#39;trebuchet ms&#39;=
,sans-serif;font-size:large;color:rgb(0,0,255)"><a 
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rg/journal/editorial/41-open-access-what-price-affordability.php" 
style=3D"=
font-family:arial;font-size:small" 
target=3D"_blank">http://ecancer.org/jou=
rnal/editorial/41-open-access-what-price-affordability.php</a>=E2=80=8B</di=
v>
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