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[BOAI] Re: CHORUS is a Trojan Horse

From: Stevan Harnad <amsciforum AT gmail.com>
Date: Sat, 12 Jul 2014 09:23:10 -0400


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On Sat, Jul 12, 2014 at 7:14 AM, David Wojick <dwojick AT 
craigellachie.us>
 wrote:


> *DW: *The timing, terms and territory of the U.S. Public Access program
> are all controlled by the Feds.
>

"The Feds," as we all know, are government decision-makers whose 
decisions
are influenced by lobbying. The research community, though it is huge,
cannot afford -- and hence does not have -- a lobby. The publishing
industry, in contrast, has oodles of dosh for lobbying "The Feds," 
and does
so, vigorously, particularly about Open Access (OA), over which the
publishing industry is desperately trying to retain control.

In the US, this attempt to retain control takes the form of CHORUS: "*Let
us handle OA for you; we will see to it that (our) articles are made OA at
the end of (our!) OA embargoes; we will host or deposit our versions of our
articles for you*."

That is how the publishing lobby is trying to retain control over the
timing, terms and territory of the US Public Access program.


> *DW:* To claim otherwise is nonsense.
>

(I imagine that when you are lobbying or consulting for the Feds you
express yourself more courteously, David.)


> *DW:* The publishers have no control whatsoever. Which federal agencies,
> if any, will use CHORUS is completely up to those agencies.
>

 The publishers have no control over what policy "the Feds" 
ultimately
adopt, fortunately. They are merely trying to lobby to get them to cede the
control to them, by adopting CHORUS.

And you, David, as a consultant for OSTI, are attempting to incline them
toward adopting CHORUS. In this, I think you are as profoundly mistaken as
you have been in your prior advocacy against measures to combat global
warming <http://www.desmogblog.com/david-wojick>.

*DW: *If it is not going your way that is the choice of the Feds, not the
> publishers.
>

I am not a professional consultant or lobbyist. I am a researcher, and "my
way" is what I think is best for research, researchers, their 
institutions,
their funders, and the general public whose taxes pay for the research and
for whose benefit the research is conducted.

And mandatory Green Open Access Self-Archiving is not "my way" but 
the way
of 271 institutions and 90 Funders. It is one of those funders (OSTI) that
you are endeavouring to steer toward CHORUS. I and others are trying to
alert all OA policy-makers to the fact that CHORUS is a Trojan Horse and
very much against the interests of the scale and speed of growth of Open
Access.

*Stevan Harnad*

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<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><b>DW:=C2=A0</b>The 
timing, terms and territory of=
 the U.S. Public Access program are all controlled by the 
Feds.</div></bloc=
kquote><div><br></div><div>&quot;The 
Feds,&quot; as we all know, are govern=
ment decision-makers whose decisions are influenced by lobbying. The resear=
ch community, though it is huge, cannot afford -- and hence does not have -=
- a lobby. The publishing industry, in contrast, has oodles of dosh for lob=
bying &quot;The Feds,&quot; and does so, vigorously, particularly about 
Ope=
n Access (OA), over which the publishing industry is desperately trying to =
retain control.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>In the US, this attempt to retain 
control takes the for=
m of CHORUS: &quot;<i>Let us handle OA for you; we will see to it 
that (our=
) articles are made OA at the end of (our!) OA embargoes; we will host or d=
eposit our versions of our articles for you</i>.&quot;</div>
<div><br></div><div>That is how the publishing lobby is 
trying to retain co=
ntrol over the timing, terms and territory of the US Public Access program.=
</div><div>=C2=A0</div><blockquote 
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rder-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><b>DW:</b>=C2=A0To claim 
otherwise is nonsense.</d=
iv></blockquote><div><br></div><div>(I imagine 
that when you are lobbying o=
r consulting for the Feds you express yourself more courteously, David.)</d=
iv>
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eft-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div 
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><b>DW:</b>=C2=A0=
The publishers have no control whatsoever. Which federal agencies, if any, =
will use CHORUS is completely up to those agencies.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>=C2=A0The 
publishers have no control over =
what policy &quot;the Feds&quot; ultimately adopt, fortunately. They 
are me=
rely trying to lobby to get them to cede the control to them, by adopting C=
HORUS.=C2=A0</div>
<div><br></div><div>And you, David, as a consultant for 
OSTI, are attemptin=
g to incline them toward adopting CHORUS. In this, I think you are as profo=
undly mistaken as you have been in your=C2=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.desmogbl=
og.com/david-wojick" target=3D"_blank">prior advocacy against 
measures to c=
ombat global warming</a>.</div>
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style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0p=
x 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-lef=
t-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div 
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><b>DW:=C2=A0</b>If=
 it is not going your way that is the choice of the Feds, not the publisher=
s.</div>
</blockquote><div><br></div><div>I am not a 
professional consultant or lobb=
yist. I am a researcher, and &quot;my way&quot; is what I think is best 
for=
 research, researchers, their institutions, their funders, and the general =
public whose taxes pay for the research and for whose benefit the research =
is conducted.</div>
<div><br></div><div>And mandatory Green Open Access 
Self-Archiving is not &=
quot;my way&quot; but the way of=C2=A0<a 
style=3D"color:rgb(34,34,34)">271 =
institutions and 90 Funders</a>. It is one of those funders (OSTI) that 
you=
 are endeavouring to steer toward CHORUS. I and others are trying to alert =
all OA policy-makers to the fact that CHORUS is a Trojan Horse and very muc=
h against the interests of the scale and speed of growth of Open Access.</d=
iv>
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</div><span class=3D""><font 
color=3D"#888888"><div><br></div><div><b>Steva=
n Harnad</b></div>
</font></span></div></div></div>

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