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[BOAI] Re: CHORUS is a Trojan Horse

From: Stevan Harnad <amsciforum AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 11 Jul 2014 20:15:15 -0400


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On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Stevan Harnad wrote:

*SH: *CHORUS
<http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/07/09/implementing-chorus-big-deci=
sions-loom-for-publishers/>
is
a Trojan Horse, designed so that publishers retain control over the timing,
terms and territory of any transition to Open Access.  Think about it.
http://j.mp/TrojanHorseChorus


David Wojick
<http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/07/09/implementing-chorus-big-deci=
sions-loom-for-publishers/#comment-141773>
replied
(in the SSP Scholarly Kitchen):

*DW:* Nonsense! It is the Feds that are asserting control via the US Public
Access program.  CHORUS is an attempt to minimize the damage that more
Federal repositories like PMC will cause. CHORUS will improve scientific
communication while reducing
Federal expenses. It is an elegant solution to a difficult problem.


*SH:* The Feds are (rightly) asserting control over the research output
that the public funds by mandating public access to it. Doesn=E2=80=99t sou=
nd like
nonsense to me. (Some) publishers are trying to slow the provision of
public access to publicly funded research (by embargoing it) and are
angling to remain the ones who provide the access, so that they retain
control and proprietorship over both the research output and the provision
of access to it. That doesn=E2=80=99t sound like nonsense to me either =E2=
=80=94 just
self-interest in a profound conflict of interest
between those who fund, conduct and provide the research output (the Feds,
the public, and researchers) on the one hand, and those who manage the peer
review of that research output (publishers). The peers (researchers) review
for free. It is not nonsense to attempt to hold onto a cushy deal
by =E2=80=9Cminimizing the damage=E2=80=9D for as long as possible to the i=
nflated income
streams  to which they have long grown accustomed. The Feds, the public,
and researchers can only hope  that this damage-limitation attempt will
fail. And it will -- though perhaps not until after yet  another round of
delay tactics, of which CHORUS and the lobbying for it are a prominent
instance.

*Stevan Harnad*

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font=
-size:12px">On Jul 11, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Stevan Harnad 
wrote:</span><br sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px"><div class=3D"=
" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;direction:=
ltr">
<br class=3D""><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div 
dir=3D"ltr"></div></blockquot=
e><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div 
dir=3D"ltr"></div></blockquote><blockquote=
 type=3D"cite"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div 
dir=3D"ltr"><span style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px=
"><b>SH:=C2=A0</b><a 
href=3D"http://scholarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/07/09/=
implementing-chorus-big-decisions-loom-for-publishers/">CHORUS</a>=C2=A0is =
a Trojan Horse, designed so that publishers retain 
control=C2=A0</span><spa=
n 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;lin=
e-height:23px">over the timing, terms and territory of any transition 
to Op=
en Access. =C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:geor=
gia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Think about 
it.=C2=A0</span><a h=
ref=3D"http://j.mp/TrojanHorseChorus" rel=3D"nofollow" 
style=3D"border:0px;=
font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;margin:0px;padding:0px;vertical-al=
ign:baseline;color:rgb(58,105,153);text-decoration:none;outline:none;line-h=
eight:23px">http://j.mp/TrojanHorseChorus</a></div>
</blockquote></blockquote><br></div><div 
class=3D"" style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,=
0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;direction:ltr"><a 
href=3D"http://sc=
holarlykitchen.sspnet.org/2014/07/09/implementing-chorus-big-decisions-loom=
-for-publishers/#comment-141773">David Wojick</a>=C2=A0replied 
(in the SSP =
Scholarly Kitchen):</div>
<div class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:1=
2px;direction:ltr"><br></div><div class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font=
-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;direction:ltr"></div><blockquote type=3D"c=
ite" style=3D"font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">
<div class=3D"" style=3D"direction:ltr"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);=
font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><b>DW:</b>=C2=A0=
Nonsense! It is the Feds that are asserting control via the US Public Acces=
s program. =C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:geor=
gia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">CHORUS is an attempt to 
minimize=
 the damage that more Federal repositories like=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"=
color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23=
px">PMC will cause. CHORUS will improve scientific communication while 
redu=
cing=C2=A0</span></div>
<div class=3D"" style=3D"direction:ltr"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);=
font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">Federal 
expenses=
. It is an elegant solution to a difficult 
problem.</span></div></blockquot=
e>
<div class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:1=
2px;direction:ltr"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,s=
erif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"" styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px;direction:ltr">
<span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px=
;line-height:23px"><b>SH:</b>=C2=A0The Feds are (rightly) 
asserting control=
 over the research output that the public funds=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"=
color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23=
px">by mandating public access to it. Doesn=E2=80=99t sound like 
nonsense t=
o me. (Some) publishers=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font=
-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">are trying to 
slow t=
he provision of public access to publicly funded research (by embargoing it=
)=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;=
font-size:14px;line-height:23px">and are angling to remain the ones who 
pro=
vide the access, so that they retain control and=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D=
"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:2=
3px">proprietorship over both the research output and the provision of 
acce=
ss to it. That doesn=E2=80=99t=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,5=
1);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">sound 
like no=
nsense to me either =E2=80=94 just self-interest in a profound conflict of =
interest=C2=A0</span></div>
<div class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:1=
2px;direction:ltr"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,s=
erif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">between those who fund, conduct 
and p=
rovide the research output (the Feds, the public, 
and=C2=A0</span><span sty=
le=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-hei=
ght:23px">researchers) on the one hand, and those who manage the peer 
revie=
w of that research output=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);fo=
nt-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">(publishers). 
The =
peers (researchers) review for free. It is not nonsense to attempt to hold =
onto=C2=A0</span><font color=3D"#333333" 
face=3D"georgia, serif"><span styl=
e=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:23px">a cushy deal 
by=C2=A0=E2=80=9Cminimiz=
ing the damage=E2=80=9D for as long as 
possible=C2=A0</span></font><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-he=
ight:23px">to the inflated income streams =C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">t=
o which they</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,s=
erif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px">=C2=A0have long grown 
accustomed</spa=
n><span 
style=3D"font-size:14px;line-height:23px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-f=
amily:georgia,serif">. The Feds, the public, and researchers can only 
hope =
=C2=A0</span><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;f=
ont-size:14px;line-height:23px">that this damage-limitation attempt 
will fa=
il. And it will -- though perhaps not until after yet 
=C2=A0</span><span st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px;line-he=
ight:23px">another round of delay tactics, of which CHORUS and the 
lobbying=
 for it are a prominent instance.</span></div>
<div class=3D"" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:1=
2px;direction:ltr"><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,s=
erif;font-size:14px;line-height:23px"><br></span></div><div class=3D"" styl=
e=3D"color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Helvetica;font-size:12px">
<span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:14px=
;line-height:23px"><b>Stevan 
Harnad</b></span></div><div><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:14px;line-height:23px;color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:georgia,serif"=
><br>
</span></div></div>

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