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[BOAI] More Fallout From Finch Folly: Springer Silliness

From: Stevan Harnad <amsciforum AT gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2013 12:02:49 -0400


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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Didier P=E9laprat
<didier.pelaprat AT inserm.fr>wrote:

> Thank you Stevan, ****
>
> for your always clear explanations, straightforward analyses =85 and very
> practical solutions.
>

Dear Didier, here is an updated version with links, plus the reply to
another (anonymous) query received subsequently.

SH

*More Fallout From Finch Folly: Springer
Silliness*<http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1013-More-Fall=
out-From-Finch-Folly-Springer-Silliness.html>

*On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Didier P=E9laprat wrote on
GOAL<http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-June/001905.html>
:*

***"Springer, which defined itself some months ago as a "green 
publisher"
in an advertisement meeting to which they invited us (they call that
"information" meeting) and did not ask any embargo for institutional 
open
repositories (there was only an embargo for the repositories of funders
with a mandate), now changed its policy (they call this a "new
wording<http://www.springer.com/open+access/authors+rights?SGWID=3D0-176704=
-12-683201-0>")
with a 12-month embargo for all Open repositories.

This is now displayed in
Sherpa/Romeo<http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/search.php?id=3D74&fIDnum=3D|&mo=
de=3Dsimple&la=3Den>.
It was stated that this new policy was settled "in reaction to the US,
Europe and RCUK policy".

I figured out that this would make some "buzz", but for the moment I 
did
not see any reaction. Did you hear of one?*"

------------------------------


No buzz, because the change is inconsequential:

"Authors may self-archive the author=92s accepted manuscript of their
articles on their own websites. Authors may also deposit this version of
the article in any repository, provided it is only made publicly available
12 months after official publication or
later<http://www.springer.com/open+access/authors+rights?SGWID=3D0-176704-1=
2-683201-0>
."

*1. There is no difference between the authors' "own websites" and 
their
own institution's "repository." *

Authors' websites are sectors of their own institution's diskspace, and
their institutional repository is a sector of their own institution's
diskspace. Way back in 2003 U. Southampton had already laid this
nonsensical pseudo-legal distinction to rest pre-emptively by formally
declaring their authors' sector of their institutional repository their
personal website:

"3e. Copyright agreements may state that eprints can be archived on your
personal homepage. As far as publishers are concerned, the EPrint Archive
is a part of the Department's infrastructure for your personal
homepage.<http://roarmap.eprints.org/1/>
"

*2. As to institution-external OA repositories, many green publishers try
to forbid them, but this too is futile nonsense: External repositories can
simply link to the full-text in the institutional repository. *

Indeed this has always been the main reason I have been strongly advocating
for years that self-archiving mandates should always stipulate
institutional deposit rather than institution-external
deposit<http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&q=3Dharnad%20OR%20Harnad%=
20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=3DUTF-8&tbm=
=3Dblg&tbs=3Dqdr:m&num=3D100&c2coff=3D1&safe=3Dactive#q=3Dinstitutional+cen=
tral+deposit+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&lr=3D&c2coff=3D1&safe=
=3Dactive&hl=3Den&tbm=3Dblg&tbas=3D0&source=3Dlnt&sa=3DX&ei=3DjHe_UbP0CKXH0=
gH1m4HgDw&ved=3D0CBsQpwUoAA&bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dm=
Q&fp=3De842c107f9c204e7&biw=3D1136&bih=3D788>.
(Springer or any publisher has delusions, however, if they think any of
their pseudo-legal double-talk can get physicists who have been
self-archiving directly in Arxiv
<http://arxiv.org/show_monthly_submissions> for
over two decades to change their ways!)

*3. But, yes, Finch/RCUK's persistence in its foolish, thoughtless and
heedless policy is indeed having its perverse consequences, exactly as
predicted<http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/oa-advocate-stevan-harnad-w=
ithdraws_26.html>,
in the form of more and more of this formalistic FUD from publishers
regarding Green OA embargoes.*

Fortunately, 
HEFCE/REF<http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&q=3Dharnad=
%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/=
&ie=3DUTF-8&tbm=3Dblg&tbs=3Dqdr:m&num=3D100&c2coff=3D1&safe=3Dactive#lr=3D&=
c2coff=3D1&safe=3Dactive&hl=3Den&tbm=3Dblg&sclient=3Dpsy-ab&q=3Dhefce+ref+b=
logurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&oq=3Dhefce+ref+blogurl:http%3=
A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&gs_l=3Dserp.3...968901.970989.1.971714.9.9=
.0.0.0.1.173.950.5j4.9.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.CCrY4O5668o&pbx=3D1&bav=3Do=
n.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=3De842c107f9c204e7&biw=3D1136&=
bih=3D788>
has
taken heed. If their proposed immediate-(institutional)-deposit mandate is
adopted, not only is all this publisher FUD mooted, but it increases the
likelihood that other OA mandates. too, will be upgraded to HEFCE's
date-stamped immediate-deposit as the mechanism for submitting articles to
institutional research performance review or national research assessment.

*4. If a publisher says you may self-archive without embargo if you do it
voluntarily, but not if your funder requires you to do it: Do it, and, if
ever asked, say, hand on heart, "I did it voluntarily."*

This ploy, which Springer too seems to have borrowed from
Elsevier<http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&lr=3D&q=3Dharnad%20OR%20Harnad=
%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&ie=3DUTF-8&tb=
m=3Dblg&tbs=3Dqdr:m&num=3D100&c2coff=3D1&safe=3Dactive#q=3Delsevier+double-=
talk+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&lr=3D&c2coff=3D1&safe=3Dactive&=
hl=3Den&tbm=3Dblg&tbas=3D0&source=3Dlnt&sa=3DX&ei=3Djn_AUcSFPIX94APIo4GQDg&=
ved=3D0CBsQpwUoAA&bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dmg&fp=3De84=
2c107f9c204e7&biw=3D1136&bih=3D788>,
consisting of pseudo-legal double-talk implying that
"you may deposit immediately if you needn't, but not if you must" is 
pure
FUD and can and should be completely ignored. (Any author foolish enough to
be taken in by such double-talk deserves all the needless usage and impact
losses they will get!)

If there's to be "buzz," let the facts and contingencies at least be 
got
straight!

------------------------------

*Off-line query from [identity removed]:*

*"This email expresses my current confusion about green open access and
Springer. Forgive my concreteness, but I don=92t =93get it.=94 I now self-a=
rchive
my publications on sites such as
ResearchGate<https://www.researchgate.net/home.Home.html>
 and academia.edu.

"I simply don=92t understand the Springer mandate! Can you refer me to 
some
text somewhere which expresses all of this in really plain English?"*

Springer says you can self-archive your final, refereed draft on your own
website (which includes your institutional repository) immediately, without
embargo.

Springer also says that in institution-external repositories you can only
deposit it after a 12-month embargo.

This means, technically and formally, that ResearchGate or academia.edu can
*link to* the full text in the institutional repository, but they cannot *
host* the full text itself till after the 12-month embargo.

(In principle, RG/AE could also link to the Closed Access deposit during
the embargo, thereby enhancing the scope of the institutional
repository's eprint-request
Button<http://www.google.ca/#output=3Dsearch&sclient=3Dpsy-ab&q=3Dbutton+re=
quest+open+access&oq=3Dbutton+request+open+access&gs_l=3Dhp.3..33i29i30l2.3=
451.11029.0.11173.26.22.0.4.4.0.314.2607.8j13j0j1.22.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-=
ab.CZJCFxwTyDE&pbx=3D1&bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dmQ&fp=
=3D5cec2c936a07764f&biw=3D1136&bih=3D788>
.)

But the practical fact is that *there's nothing much that Springer or
anyone can do about authors sharing their own papers before the embargo
elapses through social sharing sites* like RG or AE or others. Publishers'
only recourse is send individual take-down notices to RG/AE, with which
RG/AE can duly comply -- only to have the authors put them right back up
again soon after.

OA is unstoppable, if authors want it, and they do. They're all just being
too slow about realizing it, and doing it (as the computer scientists and
physicists saw and did 20 years ago, no questions asked).

That's why the OA mandates <http://roarmap.eprints.org/> are needed. And
they're coming...

SH

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On Tue, Jun 18, 2013 at 5:49 AM, Didier P=E9laprat <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a=
 href=3D"mailto:didier.pelaprat AT inserm.fr" 
target=3D"_blank">didier.pelapra=
t AT inserm.fr</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><div 
class=3D"gmail_quote"><blockquote=
 class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc soli=
d;padding-left:1ex">

<div lang=3D"FR" link=3D"blue" 
vlink=3D"purple"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&q=
uot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Thank you Stevan, 
<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" 
style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">for your a=
lways clear explanations, straightforward analyses =85 and very practical s=
olutions.</span></p>
</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Dear Didier, here is an update=
d version with links, plus the reply to another (anonymous) query received =
subsequently.</div><div><br></div><div>SH</div><div><br></div><div><p style=
=3D"margin:0px;font-size:16px;font-family:Verdana;color:rgb(255,37,0)">
<a 
href=3D"http://openaccess.eprints.org/index.php?/archives/1013-More-Fall=
out-From-Finch-Folly-Springer-Silliness.html"><b>More Fallout 
From Finch Fo=
lly: Springer 
Silliness</b></a></p></div><div><blockquote 
style=3D"color:rg=
b(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<strong>On Mon, Jun 17, 2013 at 3:42 PM, Didier P=E9laprat wrote 
on=A0<a hr=
ef=3D"http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/2013-June/001905.html" =
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102)">GOAL</a>:</strong><blockquote><strong></stron=
g><em>&quot;Springer, which defined itself some months ago as a 
&quot;green=
 publisher&quot; in an advertisement meeting to which they invited us 
(they=
 call that &quot;information&quot; meeting) and did not ask any embargo 
for=
 institutional open repositories (there was only an embargo for the reposit=
ories of funders with a mandate), now changed its policy (they call this a =
&quot;<a 
href=3D"http://www.springer.com/open+access/authors+rights?SGWID=
=3D0-176704-12-683201-0" style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102)">new 
wording</a>&quot=
;) with a 12-month embargo for all Open repositories.<br>
<br>This is now displayed in=A0<a 
href=3D"http://www.sherpa.ac.uk/romeo/sea=
rch.php?id=3D74&amp;fIDnum=3D|&amp;mode=3Dsimple&amp;la=3Den" 
style=3D"colo=
r:rgb(0,51,102)">Sherpa/Romeo</a>. It was stated that this new 
policy was s=
ettled &quot;in reaction to the US, Europe and RCUK 
policy&quot;.<br>
<br>I figured out that this would make some &quot;buzz&quot;, but 
for the m=
oment I did not see any reaction. Did you hear of 
one?</em>&quot;</blockquo=
te><hr></blockquote><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,ar=
ial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">No buzz, 
because t=
he change is inconsequential:</span><blockquote 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51=
);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-=
color:rgb(255,255,255)">
&quot;<a 
href=3D"http://www.springer.com/open+access/authors+rights?SGWID=
=3D0-176704-12-683201-0" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102)">Authors may self-arc=
hive the author=92s accepted manuscript of their articles on their own webs=
ites. Authors may also deposit this version of the article in any repositor=
y, provided it is only made publicly available 12 months after official pub=
lication or later</a>.&quot;</blockquote>
<strong 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">1. There is 
no d=
ifference between the authors&#39; &quot;own websites&quot; and 
their own i=
nstitution&#39;s &quot;repository.&quot;=A0</strong><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(=
51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;bac=
kground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Authors&#39; websites are 
sectors of t=
heir own institution&#39;s diskspace, and their institutional repository 
is=
 a sector of their own institution&#39;s diskspace. Way back in 2003 U. 
Sou=
thampton had already laid this nonsensical pseudo-legal distinction to rest=
 pre-emptively by formally declaring their authors&#39; sector of their 
ins=
titutional repository their personal website:</span><blockquote 
style=3D"co=
lor:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:=
13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
&quot;<a href=3D"http://roarmap.eprints.org/1/" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102=
)">3e. Copyright agreements may state that eprints can be archived on 
your =
personal homepage. As far as publishers are concerned, the EPrint Archive i=
s a part of the Department&#39;s infrastructure for your personal 
homepage.=
</a>&quot;</blockquote>
<strong 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">2. As to 
institu=
tion-external OA repositories, many green publishers try to forbid them, bu=
t this too is futile nonsense: External repositories can simply link to the=
 full-text in the institutional repository.=A0</strong><br 
style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Indeed this has always been the 
main r=
eason I have been strongly advocating for years that=A0</span><a 
href=3D"ht=
tp://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&amp;lr=3D&amp;q=3Dharnad%20OR%20Harnad%20=
OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&amp;ie=3DUTF-8&a=
mp;tbm=3Dblg&amp;tbs=3Dqdr:m&amp;num=3D100&amp;c2coff=3D1&amp;safe=3Dactive=
#q=3Dinstitutional+central+deposit+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&a=
mp;lr=3D&amp;c2coff=3D1&amp;safe=3Dactive&amp;hl=3Den&amp;tbm=3Dblg&amp;tba=
s=3D0&amp;source=3Dlnt&amp;sa=3DX&amp;ei=3DjHe_UbP0CKXH0gH1m4HgDw&amp;ved=
=3D0CBsQpwUoAA&amp;bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&amp;bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dmQ&amp=
;fp=3De842c107f9c204e7&amp;biw=3D1136&amp;bih=3D788" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,5=
1,102);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)">self-archiving mandates should always 
stipulat=
e institutional deposit rather than institution-external 
deposit</a><span s=
tyle=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;=
font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">. (Springer or any 
publis=
her has delusions, however, if they think any of their pseudo-legal double-=
talk can get physicists who have been self-archiving directly 
in=A0</span><=
a href=3D"http://arxiv.org/show_monthly_submissions" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,5=
1,102);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;backgr=
ound-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Arxiv</a><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);fo=
nt-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-colo=
r:rgb(255,255,255)">=A0for over two decades to change their 
ways!)</span><b=
r 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-ser=
if;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><strong 
style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">3. But, yes, 
Finch/RCUK&#39;s persis=
tence in its foolish, thoughtless and heedless policy is indeed having its =
perverse consequences,=A0<a 
href=3D"http://poynder.blogspot.co.uk/2012/07/o=
a-advocate-stevan-harnad-withdraws_26.html" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102)">e=
xactly as predicted</a>, in the form of more and more of this formalistic 
F=
UD from publishers regarding Green OA embargoes.</strong><br 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Fortunately,=A0</span><a 
href=3D"http:=
//www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den&amp;lr=3D&amp;q=3Dharnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%=
20archivangelism+blogurl:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&amp;ie=3DUTF-8&amp;=
tbm=3Dblg&amp;tbs=3Dqdr:m&amp;num=3D100&amp;c2coff=3D1&amp;safe=3Dactive#lr=
=3D&amp;c2coff=3D1&amp;safe=3Dactive&amp;hl=3Den&amp;tbm=3Dblg&amp;sclient=
=3Dpsy-ab&amp;q=3Dhefce+ref+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&=
amp;oq=3Dhefce+ref+blogurl:http%3A%2F%2Fopenaccess.eprints.org%2F&amp;gs_l=
=3Dserp.3...968901.970989.1.971714.9.9.0.0.0.1.173.950.5j4.9.0...0.0...1c.1=
.17.psy-ab.CCrY4O5668o&amp;pbx=3D1&amp;bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&amp;bvm=3Db=
v.47883778,d.dmQ&amp;fp=3De842c107f9c204e7&amp;biw=3D1136&amp;bih=3D788" st=
yle=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;f=
ont-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">HEFCE/REF</a><span style=
=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">=A0has taken heed. If 
their p=
roposed immediate-(institutional)-deposit mandate is adopted, not only is a=
ll this publisher FUD mooted, but it increases the likelihood that other OA=
 mandates. too, will be upgraded to HEFCE&#39;s date-stamped 
immediate-depo=
sit as the mechanism for submitting articles to institutional research perf=
ormance review or national research assessment.</span><br 
style=3D"color:rg=
b(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><strong 
style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">4. If a publisher says you may 
self-=
archive without embargo if you do it voluntarily, but not if your funder re=
quires you to do it: Do it, and, if ever asked, say, hand on heart, 
&quot;I=
 did it voluntarily.&quot;</strong><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-fa=
mily:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb=
(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">This ploy, which Springer too 
seems to=
 have borrowed from=A0</span><a 
href=3D"http://www.google.ca/search?hl=3Den=
&amp;lr=3D&amp;q=3Dharnad%20OR%20Harnad%20OR%20archivangelism+blogurl:http:=
//openaccess.eprints.org/&amp;ie=3DUTF-8&amp;tbm=3Dblg&amp;tbs=3Dqdr:m&amp;=
num=3D100&amp;c2coff=3D1&amp;safe=3Dactive#q=3Delsevier+double-talk+blogurl=
:http://openaccess.eprints.org/&amp;lr=3D&amp;c2coff=3D1&amp;safe=3Dactive&=
amp;hl=3Den&amp;tbm=3Dblg&amp;tbas=3D0&amp;source=3Dlnt&amp;sa=3DX&amp;ei=
=3Djn_AUcSFPIX94APIo4GQDg&amp;ved=3D0CBsQpwUoAA&amp;bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf=
.&amp;bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dmg&amp;fp=3De842c107f9c204e7&amp;biw=3D1136&amp;=
bih=3D788" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Elsevier</a><=
span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-=
serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">, consisting of 
pse=
udo-legal double-talk implying that</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);=
font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-co=
lor:rgb(255,255,255)">
<span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">&quot;you 
may depo=
sit immediately if you needn&#39;t, but not if you must&quot; is pure 
FUD a=
nd can and should be completely ignored. (Any author foolish enough to be t=
aken in by such double-talk deserves all the needless usage and impact loss=
es they will get!)</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verda=
na,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,2=
55)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">If there&#39;s to be 
&quot;buzz,&quot;=
 let the facts and contingencies at least be got straight!</span><br 
style=
=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><hr 
style=3D"color:r=
gb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;=
background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<blockquote 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetic=
a,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><strong>Off-=
line query from [identity 
removed]:</strong><br><br><em>&quot;This email ex=
presses my current confusion about green open access and Springer. Forgive =
my concreteness, but I don=92t =93get it.=94 I now self-archive my publicat=
ions on sites such as=A0<a 
href=3D"https://www.researchgate.net/home.Home.h=
tml" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102)">ResearchGate</a>=A0and=A0<a 
href=3D"http=
://academia.edu/" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102)">academia.edu</a>.=A0<br>
<br>&quot;I simply don=92t understand the Springer mandate! Can you 
refer m=
e to some text somewhere which expresses all of this in really plain Englis=
h?&quot;</em></blockquote><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:ve=
rdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,25=
5,255)">Springer says you can self-archive your final, refereed draft 
on yo=
ur own website (which includes your institutional repository) immediately, =
without embargo.</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana=
,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">Springer also says that in 
institution=
-external repositories you can only deposit it after a 12-month embargo.=A0=
</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica=
,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">This means, technically and 
formally, =
that ResearchGate or <a 
href=3D"http://academia.edu">academia.edu</a> can=
=A0</span><em 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvet=
ica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">link 
to</e=
m><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sa=
ns-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">=A0the full 
text=
 in the institutional repository, but they cannot=A0</span><em 
style=3D"col=
or:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:1=
3px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">host</em><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;backg=
round-color:rgb(255,255,255)">=A0the full text itself till after the 
12-mon=
th embargo.=A0</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,a=
rial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"=
>
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">(In principle, RG/AE could also 
link t=
o the Closed Access deposit during the embargo, thereby enhancing the scope=
 of the institutional repository&#39;s=A0</span><a 
href=3D"http://www.googl=
e.ca/#output=3Dsearch&amp;sclient=3Dpsy-ab&amp;q=3Dbutton+request+open+acce=
ss&amp;oq=3Dbutton+request+open+access&amp;gs_l=3Dhp.3..33i29i30l2.3451.110=
29.0.11173.26.22.0.4.4.0.314.2607.8j13j0j1.22.0...0.0...1c.1.17.psy-ab.CZJC=
FxwTyDE&amp;pbx=3D1&amp;bav=3Don.2,or.r_cp.r_qf.&amp;bvm=3Dbv.47883778,d.dm=
Q&amp;fp=3D5cec2c936a07764f&amp;biw=3D1136&amp;bih=3D788" 
style=3D"color:rg=
b(0,51,102);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;b=
ackground-color:rgb(255,255,255)">eprint-request 
Button</a><span style=3D"c=
olor:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size=
:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">.)</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51=
,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;backg=
round-color:rgb(255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">But the practical fact is 
that=A0</spa=
n><em 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans=
-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">there&#39;s nothin=
g much that Springer or anyone can do about authors sharing their own paper=
s before the embargo elapses through social sharing sites</em><span 
style=
=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font=
-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">=A0like RG or AE or 
others. P=
ublishers&#39; only recourse is send individual take-down notices to 
RG/AE,=
 with which RG/AE can duly comply -- only to have the authors put them righ=
t back up again soon after.</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-fam=
ily:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(=
255,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">OA is unstoppable, if authors want 
it,=
 and they do. They&#39;re all just being too slow about realizing it, and 
d=
oing it (as the computer scientists and physicists saw and did 20 years ago=
, no questions asked).=A0</span><br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-famil=
y:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(25=
5,255,255)">
<br 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-s=
erif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span 
style=3D"color=
:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13p=
x;background-color:rgb(255,255,255)">That&#39;s why 
the=A0</span><a href=3D=
"http://roarmap.eprints.org/" 
style=3D"color:rgb(0,51,102);font-family:verd=
ana,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,=
255)">OA mandates</a><span 
style=3D"color:rgb(51,51,51);font-family:verdana=
,arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:13px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255=
)">=A0are needed. And they&#39;re 
coming...</span></div>
<div><br></div><div>SH</div></div>

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