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Budapest Open Access Initiative: BOAI Forum Archive [BOAI] [Forum Home] [index] [prev] [next] [options] [help]boaiforum messages[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this groupFrom: =?utf-8?Q?Saray_C=C3=B3rdoba?= <saraycg AT gmail.com>
--Apple-Mail-26A961DF-B59A-40D9-B733-0AE139E46086 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I also be there, it will be a good chance to discuss about this theme.=20 Best regards,=20 Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez=20 El 16/06/2013, a las 08:17, Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com> ↵ escribi=C3= =B3: > We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in October this year. ↵ Th= at could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare and id= entify the right people. >=20 > Sent from my iPhone >=20 > On Jun 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <dsolomon AT msu.edu> ↵ wrote: >=20 >> The PKP Conference in Mexico City this August might be a forum to ↵ start t= he process.=20 >>=20 >> http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013 >>=20 >> I expect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe ↵ includi= ng you Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America no= r speak much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help i= n any way I can.=20 >>=20 >> Best wishes, >>=20 >> Dave Solomon >>=20 >>=20 >> On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don ↵ <jean.claude.gue= don AT umontreal.ca> wrote: >>> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this ↵ not what= CLACSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding fo= r a year or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It= is really a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the b= est ways to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is= to build a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be= identified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet so= mewhere in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick thi= ngs off. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There= , they could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a c= ollective strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a l= ot has been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel. >>>=20 >>> Just my two cents' worth. >>>=20 >>> jc >>>=20 >>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a ↵ =C3=A9cr= it : >>>> Dear all, >>>>=20 >>>> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa ↵ en la re= gion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda lleva= r a cabo localmente.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo ↵ puedo desarr= olar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible= , pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin a= merica y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" ↵ pueden ayu= darnos >>>>=20 >>>> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en ↵ Brasil. Es= ta largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific da= ta. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA.=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Hay gente de cuales paises aca? >>>>=20 >>>> Carolina >>>>=20 >>>> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar ↵ <gortuzar AT u.uch= ile.cl> wrote: >>>> Dear all, >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages ↵ in creat= ing a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America. >>>>=20 >>>> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of ↵ academic jou= rnals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional repositories,= etc.. >>>> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & ↵ OMP) have als= o contributed to this development. >>>>=20 >>>> Some interesting results that I share with you: >>>>=20 >>>> Latin American Repositories Network=20 >>>> http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/ >>>> developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous ↵ access t= o 65 repositories, from 16 countries. >>>>=20 >>>> Latin America Thesis Portal >>>> http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/ =20 >>>> Simultaneous access to 40 universities. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP) >>>> http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Electronic books (OMP / PKP) >>>> http://libros.uchile.cl/ >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> The south also exists ! >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> ------------------------------------------------- >>>> Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar >>>> Director >>>> Information Services & Library System >>>> Universidad de Chile >>>> Tel 56-29782584 >>>>=20 >>>> http://www.uchile.cl >>>> http://m.uchile.cl (m=C3=B3vil) >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don ↵ <jean.claude.guedon AT = umontreal.ca> escribi=C3=B3: >>>>=20 >>>>> Me parece muy bien, >>>>>=20 >>>>> pero... >>>>>=20 >>>>> It is important to remember that perfection can be the ↵ enemy of good. W= hat is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hanging fru= its and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons; they= can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of operations. >>>>>=20 >>>>> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly ↵ leads the wa= y. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerged ver= y recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc. >>>>>=20 >>>>> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a ↵ large majorit= y of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks to pr= ojects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latindex, an= d platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of quali= ty are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore the pos= sibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redclara, o= ffers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collections of= journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis for an a= utonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication in the ↵ "= grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the present ↵ publishing o= ligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine developing si= milar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achieved a hea= lthy form of internationalization. >>>>>=20 >>>>> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the ↵ right and po= wer to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such perverse= tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a won= derful model to follow. >>>>>=20 >>>>> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin ↵ America: it is t= he very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sectors of L= atin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils that ar= e also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colombia), s= ome universities even offer financial incentives for people to publish in ↵ "i= nternational" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high IF's in ↵ Thomso= n-Reuters' JCR).=20 >>>>>=20 >>>>> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such ↵ practices in= order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproductive.=20= >>>>>=20 >>>>> Jean-Claude >>>>>=20 >>>>> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a ↵ =C3=A9crit : >>>>>> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities ↵ still do not hav= e OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually j= ust free access (public access)... >>>>>> So my question is: should we move a step forward to ↵ guarantee that al= l that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, whi= ch means licensed under a CC-by license ?=20 >>>>>> Que les parece? =20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> Sent from my iPhone >>>>>>=20 >>>>>> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba ↵ <saraycg AT gmail.com> w= rote: >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Dear all,=20 >>>>>>> Latin America is a open access region because open ↵ access movement i= s stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap h= ttp://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platfo= rms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes t= he OA situation from different facets. =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates ↵ to Spanish the BOAI= Forum news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (199= 7), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about op= en access in the world (2001) these already existed. =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that ↵ remind us that "the s= outh also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about ↵ open= access and to support the local and regional development. =20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, ↵ that will be held in C= osta Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: http://www.bi= redial2013.ucr.ac.cr/=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Best wishes=20 >>>>>>> Saray=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> 2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer ↵ <francoise.sm AT gmail.com> >>>>>>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals ↵ (SciELO) in the we= b of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled ↵ "Lati= n American Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open ↵ Access.=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> ↵ http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie= ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> ↵ p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600= -6/fulltext=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> *** >>>>>>>> Greetings from Vancouver >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Interestingly enough, at least from the ↵ perspective of an earth sci= ences librarian, it appears that some journals that >>>>>>>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of ↵ Science and GeoRef. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> For example, >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> ↵ http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opci= on=3D3 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't ↵ really surprise me. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Kevin >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Kevin Lindstrom >>>>>>>> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian >>>>>>>> Woodward Library >>>>>>>> 2198 Health Sciences Mall=20 >>>>>>>> University of British Columbia >>>>>>>> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3 >>>>>>>> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca >>>>>>>> Voice: (604) 822-0695 >>>>>>>> scieng.library.ubc.ca >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk ↵ [boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.so= ton.ac.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don [jean.claude.guedon AT ↵ umontrea= l.ca] >>>>>>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM >>>>>>>> To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk >>>>>>>> Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature ↵ of this group >>>>>>>> Having tried for years to demonstrate that ↵ what is going on outside= the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - h= ow long did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and R= edALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are p= eople mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after pub= lishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's c= all with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but o= ne should never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The N= orth Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world= , and it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" ↵ science (= international here meaning "core journals" as defined by ↵ Thomson-Reuters...)= . >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably ↵ far more significant t= han all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch= report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of B= ritain, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Brit= ain, or France or Germany. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> I am with you 120%' Carolina. >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Jean-Claude >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, ↵ Carolina Rossini a =C3= =A9crit : >>>>>>>>> Hi all, >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> In the past few days, thinking on how to ↵ advance OA in Latin Ameri= ca, I was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active rol= e in supporting regional policy initiatives. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, ↵ which can publish statemen= ts and positions supporting local actions. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> What do you think? This would not change ↵ other roles for this list= , regarding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional a= nd spicy element. >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> Carolina >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> Carolina Rossini >>>>>>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/ >>>>>>>>> + 1 6176979389 >>>>>>>>> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com* >>>>>>>>> skype: carolrossini >>>>>>>>> AT carolinarossini >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>>> -- To unsubscribe from the ↵ BOAI Forum, use the form o= n this page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don Professeur titulaire ↵ Litt=C3=A9rature compa= r=C3=A9e Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al >>>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>> =20 >>>>>>>> -- =20 >>>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the ↵ form on this page: >>>>>>>> ↵ http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form ↵ on this page: >>>>>>> ↵ http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> --=20 >>>>>>> Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez >>>>>>> Encargada de Latindex >>>>>>> Vicerrector=C3=ADa de Investigaci=C3=B3n >>>>>>> Universidad de Costa Rica >>>>>>> 4=C2=BA piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco >>>>>>> Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio >>>>>>> Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908 >>>>>>> Fax 506-2224 9367 >>>>>>> www.latindex.ucr.ac.cr=20 >>>>>>> www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr=20 >>>>>>> www.kerwa.ucr.ac.cr >>>>>>> www.latindex.org=20 >>>>>>>=20 >>>>>>> -- =20 >>>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form ↵ on this page: >>>>>>> ↵ http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum >>>>>> -- =20 >>>>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on ↵ this page: >>>>>> ↵ http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum >>>>>=20 >>>>> -- =20 >>>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this ↵ page: >>>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum >>>>>=20 >>>>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don >>> Professeur titulaire >>> Litt=C3=A9rature compar=C3=A9e >>> Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: >>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> David J Solomon, PhD >> A-202 E Fee Hall >> 965 Fee Road=20 >> MSU >> E. Lansing, MI 48823 USA >> +1 517 353-2037 Ext 223 >> dsolomon AT msu.edu >>=20 >> -- =20 >> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: >> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum >=20 > -- =20 > To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: > http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum --Apple-Mail-26A961DF-B59A-40D9-B733-0AE139E46086 Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" ↵ content=3D"text/html; charset=3D= utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>I ↵ also be there, it will be a good cha= nce to discuss about this theme. </div><div>Best ↵ regards, <br><br>= Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez </div><div><br>El ↵ 16/06/2013, a las 08= :17, Carolina <<a href=3D"mailto:carolina.rossini AT ↵ gmail.com">carolina.ros= sini AT gmail.com</a>> ↵ escribi=C3=B3:<br><br></div><blockquote ↵ type=3D"cite"= ><div><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" ↵ content=3D"text/html; charset=3Dutf-= 8"><div>We will also have the CONFOA conference in Brazil in ↵ October this ye= ar. That could be a great opportunity too, and give us more time to prepare a= nd identify the right people.<br><br>Sent from my ↵ iPhone</div><div><br>On Ju= n 15, 2013, at 2:59 PM, David Solomon <<a ↵ href=3D"mailto:dsolomon AT msu.edu= ">dsolomon AT msu.edu</a>> ↵ wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote ↵ type=3D"cite"><di= v><div dir=3D"ltr">The PKP Conference in Mexico City this ↵ August might be a f= orum to start the ↵ process. <div><br></div><div><a ↵ href=3D"http://pkp.sf= u.ca/pkp2013">http://pkp.sfu.ca/pkp2013</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>I e= xpect a lot of like-minded people will be attending, I believe including you= Jean-Claude. I hesitate to speak up as I am not from Latin America nor spea= k much Spanish but will be attending the conference and happy to help in any= way I can. <div> <br></div><div style=3D"">Best ↵ wishes,</div><div ↵ style=3D""><br></div><div s= tyle=3D"">Dave Solomon</div></div></div><div ↵ class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><br><= div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 15, 2013 at 5:35 PM, ↵ Jean-Claude Gu=C3= =A9don <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a ↵ href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.= ca" target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT ↵ umontreal.ca</a>></span> wrote:<= br> <blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 ↵ .8ex;border-left:1px= #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><u></u> =20 =20 <div> What Carolina asks for makes a great deal of sense, but is this not what CLA= CSO is already doing? What is needed, perhaps, is a source of funding for a y= ear or two to give CLACSO the elbow room needed to pursue this goal. It is r= eally a question of aggregating what is already on the ground. And the best w= ays to do this, beyond a CLACSO-like entity to manage the operation, is to b= uild a trustworthy network of people on the ground. These people can be iden= tified rather quickly in many LA countries. Making these people meet somewhe= re in Latin America for a few days would be a wonderful way to kick things o= ff. A foundation could fund this for less than a 100,000 dollars. There, the= y could share experiences and best practices, and they could design a collec= tive strategy to achieve the goal just pointed out by Carolina. But a lot ha= s been done already and it would be a pity to reinvent the wheel.<br> <br> Just my two cents' worth.<br> <br> jc<br> <br> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 22:30 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =C3=A9crit := <br> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> Dear all,<br> <br> Creo que la primeira cosa a hacer, es mapear mejor lo que pasa en la reg= ion y ahi desarrollar una estategia para politica pubica que se pueda llevar= a cabo localmente. <br> <br> Que les parece? Hay candidatos voluntarios a hacer eso? Yo puedo desarro= lar un formulario y ahi la gente los responde. Algo lo mas sensillo posible,= pero ai podremos pensar conjuntamente lo que puede avanzar en OA en latin a= merica y saber como la gente como Jean Claude y otros del "norte" ↵ pueden ayu= darnos<br> <br> Yo termine hace poco un relatorio para SPARC/ARL con foco en Brasil. Est= a largo, pues tambien cubre open educational resources y open scientific dat= a. Pero podemos hacer algo solo focado en OA. <br> <br> Hay gente de cuales paises aca?<br> <br> Carolina<br> <br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> On Fri, Jun 14, 2013 at 11:05 AM, Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar <<a ↵ href=3D"m= ailto:gortuzar AT u.uchile.cl" target=3D"_blank">gortuzar AT ↵ u.uchile.cl</a>> w= rote: </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Dear all, </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> I agree with Jean Claude on the need to advance through stages in cr= eating a basis of a OA scientific pole in Latin America.<br> <br> Universities have led several initiatives: optimization of ↵ acad= emic journals, implementing Creative Commons, developing institutional ↵ r= epositories, etc..<br> No doubt that SciELO, Redalyc, Latindex, PKP (with OJS & OMP) ↵ &n= bsp;have also contributed to this development.<br> <br> Some interesting results that I share with you:<br> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Latin American Repositories Network </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <a href=3D"http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/" ↵ target=3D"= _blank">http://www.repositorioslatinoamericanos.info/</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> developed by the University of Chile and provides simultaneous acces= s to 65 repositories, from 16 countries.<br> <br> Latin America Thesis Portal<br> <a href=3D"http://tesislatinoamericanas.info/" ↵ target=3D"_blank">htt= p://tesislatinoamericanas.info/</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Simultaneous access to 40 universities. </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Electronic journals (with OJS / PKP)<br> <a href=3D"http://www.revistas.uchile.cl/" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://= www.revistas.uchile.cl/</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Electronic books (OMP / PKP) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <a href=3D"http://libros.uchile.cl/" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://libros= .uchile.cl/</a> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> The south also exists ! </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <font ↵ color=3D"#005493">--------------------------------------------= -----</font> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Gabriela Ort=C3=BAzar </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Director </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Information Services & Library System </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> Universidad de Chile<br> Tel <a href=3D"tel:56-29782584" ↵ target=3D"_blank">56-29782584</a><br= > <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <font color=3D"#005493"><a ↵ href=3D"http://www.uchile.cl" target=3D"_= blank">http://www.uchile.cl</a></font> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <a href=3D"http://m.uchile.cl" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://m.uchile.cl<= /a> (m=C3=B3vil) </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> El 14-06-2013, a las 9:34, Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don <<a ↵ href=3D"ma= ilto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" ↵ target=3D"_blank">jean.claude.guedon AT u= montreal.ca</a>> escribi=C3=B3: </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <br> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> Me parece muy bien,<br> <br> pero...<br> <br> It is important to remember that perfection can be the enemy of g= ood. What is really needed is a road map of steps that could start low-hangi= ng fruits and move forward from there. Objectives do not need to be horizons= ; they can be plateaus that allow launching the next stage of ↵ operations.<br= > <br> This said, in terms of innovations, latin America clearly leads t= he way. Look at the Peruvian law regarding a national repository that emerge= d very recently. Argentina has already moved on this. Etc. etc.<br> <br> What is going to be crucial in the near future is that a large m= ajority of journals in Latin America are located within universities. Thanks= to projects like OJS, they are fast professionalizing. Lists such as Latind= ex, and platforms such as RedALyC and SciELO, by providing clear criteria of= quality are accelerating the process. Discussions are going on to explore t= he possibility of creating LA mega-journals and La Referencia, based on Redc= lara, offers the beginning of a network of repositories. These large collect= ions of journals (6,000 at least are vetted in Latindex) can form the basis f= or an autonomous scientific pole that will engage as a regional publication i= n the "grand conversation" of science as a counterweight to the ↵ present publ= ishing oligarchy. India, China, Africa and South-East Asia can imagine devel= oping similar publication poles. When that is done, science will have achiev= ed a healthy form of internationalization.<br> <br> In short, Latin America is on the verge of reclaiming the right a= nd power to create value over its own publications, and not rely on such per= verse tools as the impact factor, etc. Other regions of the world will have a= wonderful model to follow.<br> <br> There is one big obstacle to remove, however, in Latin America: i= t is the very fascination for the impact factor in some institutional sector= s of Latin America. SciELO is an example of this. But the science councils t= hat are also the funding agencies do the same. In some countries (e.g. Colom= bia), some universities even offer financial incentives for people to publis= h in "international" journals (i.e. journals that have garnered high ↵ IF's in= Thomson-Reuters' JCR). <br> <br> It might be a good idea to create a site to document such practi= ces in order to compare them, and criticize them as silly and counterproduct= ive. <br> <br> Jean-Claude<br> <br> Le vendredi 14 juin 2013 =C3=A0 07:42 -0400, Carolina a =C3=A9cr= it : </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still d= o not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are a= ctually just free access (public access)... </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarante= e that all that is paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declara= tion, which means licensed under a CC-by license ? <br> Que les parece? <br> <br> Sent from my iPhone<br> <br> On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba <<a ↵ href= =3D"mailto:saraycg AT gmail.com" ↵ target=3D"_blank">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>> wr= ote:<br> <br> <br> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> Dear all, <br> Latin America is a open access region because open acces= s movement is stronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Un= esco's Goap <a ↵ href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-i= nformation/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the= -caribbean/" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-an= d-information/portals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-= the-caribbean/</a> which describes the OA situation from ↵ different face= ts. <br> <br> <br> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Span= ish the BOAI Forum news: <a ↵ href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/184= 675074889032/" ↵ target=3D"_blank">https://www.facebook.com/groups/18467507488= 9032/</a>. Latindex (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. ↵ Before t= here was talked about open access in the world (2001) these already existed.= <br> <br> <br> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind u= s that "the south also exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site ↵ to discu= ss about open access and to support the local and regional ↵ development. = ; <br> <br> <br> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will= be held in Costa Rica on next October 15-17th. For more information ↵ visit:&= nbsp;<a ↵ href=3D"http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai"= target=3D"_blank">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.cr/</a> ↵ <br> <br> Best wishes <br> Saray <br> <br> 2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer <<a ↵ href=3D"ma= ilto:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" ↵ target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT gmail.com</a>>= ; <br> <blockquote> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (S= ciELO) in the web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one i= s entitled "Latin American Scientific Journals: from "Lost ↵ Science" to Open A= ccess. <br> <br> <br> <a ↵ href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/docume= nts/Latin%20American%20Scie" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/up= loads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scie</a>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20= Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf <br> <br> <br> p://<a ↵ href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lan= cet/article/PIIS0140-6736%2812%2961600" ↵ target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/= journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a>-6/fulltext <br> <br> <br> <font color=3D"#888888">Fran=C3=A7oise ↵ Salager-Meyer= </font> <br> <br> <br> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> ***<br> Greetings from Vancouver<br> <br> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspect= ive of an earth sciences librarian, it appears that some journals ↵ that<br> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Scien= ce and GeoRef.<br> <br> For example,<br> <br> <a ↵ href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/= ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D3" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://www.latin= dex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opc</a><a ↵ href=3D"http://= www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D3" targ= et=3D"_blank">ion=3D3</a><br> <br> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't rea= lly surprise me.<br> <br> Kevin<br> <br> Kevin Lindstrom<br> Physical Sciences and Engineering ↵ Librarian<br> Woodward Library<br> 2198 Health Sciences Mall <br> University of British Columbia<br> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br> <a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom ↵ AT ubc.ca= " target=3D"_blank">Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ↵ ubc.ca</a><br> Voice: <a ↵ href=3D"tel:%28604%29%20822-0695" targ= et=3D"_blank">(604) 822-0695</a><br> <a ↵ href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca/" target= =3D"_blank">scieng.library.ubc.ca</a><br> =20 <hr align=3D"center"> <br> <br> <b>From:</b> <a ↵ href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounce= s AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT ↵ ecs.soton.ac.uk</a> [= <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" ↵ target=3D"_blank">boai= -forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude ↵ Gu=C3=A9don [<a= href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" ↵ target=3D"_blank">jean.clau= de.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br> <b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 ↵ 6:00 AM<br>= <b>To:</b> <a ↵ href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT ecs.soto= n.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">boai-forum AT ↵ ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br> <b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question ↵ on the nat= ure of this group<br> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what i= s going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world, is significant at= a world scale - how long did it take for people to begin paying attention t= o both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by= Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulric= h's? - and after publishing several articles on this kind of issues, I would= support Carolina's call with passion. I would simply add that local actions= are wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world impac= t is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom i= n the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the only site of ↵ "in= ternational" science (international here meaning "core journals" ↵ as defined b= y Thomson-Reuters...).<br> <br> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably fa= r more significant than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch repor= t, because the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just ab= out to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future lies w= ith Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br> <br> I am with you 120%' Carolina.<br> <br> Jean-Claude<br> <br> <br> <br> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, Car= olina Rossini a =C3=A9crit :<br> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> Hi all,<br> <br> <br> In the past few days, thinking on how to adv= ance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this list could p= lay a more active role in supporting regional policy initiatives.<br> <br> <br> I was thinking of ↵ a coalition of s= orts, which can publish statements and positions supporting ↵ local a= ctions.<br> <br> <br> What do you think? 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