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[BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group

From: Carolina <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2013 07:42:00 -0400


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This is true, but if you go deeper, our universities still do not have OA po=
licies and a lot of Unesco and our governments call OA are actually just fre=
e access (public access)...
So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all that i=
s paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, which means=
 licensed under a CC-by license ?=20
Que les parece? =20

Sent from my iPhone

On Jun 13, 2013, at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=B3rdoba <saraycg AT gmail.com> 
wrote:

> Dear all,
> Latin America is a open access region because open access movement is 
stro=
nger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's Goap http:/=
/www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/portals-and-platforms/g=
oap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/ which describes the OA=
 situation from different facets.=20
>=20
> We have the LLAAR forum where someone translates to Spanish the BOAI 
Forum=
 news: https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/. Latindex (1997), Re=
dalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked about open acc=
ess in the world (2001) these already existed.=20
>=20
> Thanks to Carolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the 
south a=
lso exists" and this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open 
acces=
s and to support the local and regional development.=20
>=20
> We invite you to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa 
R=
ica on next October 15-17th. For more information visit: http://www.biredial=
2013.ucr.ac.cr/
>=20
> Best wishes
> Saray
>=20
> 2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer <francoise.sm AT gmail.com>
>> Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the web 
of s=
cience, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is entitled "Latin 
Amer=
ican Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open Access.
>>=20
>> 
http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20American%20Scientifi=
c%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanchez%20Pereira.pdf
>>=20
>> 
p://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600-6/fu=
lltext
>>=20
>> Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer
>>=20
>>> ***
>>> Greetings from Vancouver
>>>=20
>>> Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth 
sciences=
 librarian, it appears that some journals that
>>> are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.
>>>=20
>>> For example,
>>>=20
>>> 
http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&opcion=3D=
3
>>>=20
>>> Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.
>>>=20
>>> Kevin
>>> Kevin Lindstrom
>>> Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian
>>> Woodward Library
>>> 2198 Health Sciences Mall=20
>>> University of British Columbia
>>> Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3
>>> Email:kevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca
>>> Voice: (604) 822-0695
>>> scieng.library.ubc.ca
>>> From: boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk [boai-forum-bounces AT 
ecs.soton.a=
c.uk] on behalf of Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don [jean.claude.guedon AT 
umontreal.ca]=

>>> Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM
>>> To: boai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk
>>> Subject: [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this group
>>> Having tried for years to demonstrate that what is going on 
outside the N=
orth Atlantic region of the world, is significant at a world scale - how lon=
g did it take for people to begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALy=
C? Who pays attention to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are peopl=
e mesmerized by the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publish=
ing several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's call=
 with passion. I would simply add that local actions are wonderful, but one s=
hould never forget that their potential world impact is also great. The Nort=
h Atlantic region is not the sole fount of wisdom in the scientific world, a=
nd it should not masquerade as the only site of "international" 
science (int=
ernational here meaning "core journals" as defined by 
Thomson-Reuters...).
>>>=20
>>> What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant 
than a=
ll the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because the Finch repo=
rt affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about to pass that of Brita=
in, if it is not already the case. The future lies with Brazil, not Britain,=
 or France or Germany.
>>>=20
>>> I am with you 120%' Carolina.
>>>=20
>>> Jean-Claude
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>>=20
>>> Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a 
=C3=A9cr=
it :
>>>> Hi all,
>>>> In the past few days, thinking on how to advance OA in Latin 
America, I=
 was wondering if the members of this list could play a more active role in s=
upporting regional policy initiatives.
>>>> I was thinking of a coalition of sorts, which can publish 
statements an=
d positions supporting local actions.
>>>> What do you think? This would not change other roles for this 
list, reg=
arding discussions on concepts and events, but would add a additional and sp=
icy element.
>>>> Carolina
>>>> --
>>>> Carolina Rossini
>>>> http://carolinarossini.net/
>>>> + 1 6176979389
>>>> *carolina.rossini AT gmail.com*
>>>> skype: carolrossini
>>>>  AT carolinarossini
>>>>         --      To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the 
form on thi=
s page: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
>>> --
>>> Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don Professeur titulaire Litt=C3=A9rature 
compar=C3=A9=
e Universit=C3=A9 de Montr=C3=A9al
>>>=20
>>>       =20
>>> --    =20
>>> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page:
>>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
>>=20
>>=20
>>=20
>> --
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>> http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/boai-forum
>=20
>=20
>=20
> --=20
> Saray C=C3=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez
> Encargada de Latindex
> Vicerrector=C3=ADa de Investigaci=C3=B3n
> Universidad de Costa Rica
> 4=C2=BA piso Biblioteca Luis Demetrio Tinoco
> Ciudad Universitaria Rodrigo Facio
> Tel. 506-2511 4412, 506-2447 1908
> Fax 506-2224 9367
> www.latindex.ucr.ac.cr
> www.revistas.ucr.ac.cr
> www.kerwa.ucr.ac.cr
> www.latindex.org
>=20
> --     =20
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" 
content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div>This 
is true, but if you go deeper, ou=
r universities still do not have OA policies and a lot of Unesco and our gov=
ernments call OA are actually just free access (public 
access)...</div><div>=
So my question is: should we move a step forward to guarantee that all that i=
s paid with public funding is OA under the Budapest declaration, which means=
 licensed under a CC-by license ?&nbsp;</div><div>Que les 
parece? &nbsp;<br>=
<br>Sent from my iPhone</div><div><br>On Jun 13, 2013, 
at 11:35 PM, Saray C=C3=
=B3rdoba &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:saraycg AT 
gmail.com">saraycg AT gmail.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br><br></div><blockquote 
type=3D"cite"><div><div dir=3D"ltr">Dear 
all,=
<div>Latin America is a open access region because open access movement 
is s=
tronger than other regions in the world. Here you have the Unesco's 
Goap&nbs=
p;<a 
href=3D"http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/port=
als-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/" 
ta=
rget=3D"_blank">http://www.unesco.org/new/en/communication-and-information/p=
ortals-and-platforms/goap/access-by-region/latin-america-and-the-caribbean/<=
/a>&nbsp;which describes the OA situation from different 
facets.&nbsp;</div>=



<div><br></div><div>We have the LLAAR forum where 
someone translates to Span=
ish the BOAI Forum news:&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"https://www.facebook.com/groups/184=
675074889032/">https://www.facebook.com/groups/184675074889032/</a>. Latinde=
x (1997), Redalyc and SciELO (1998) are pioneers. Before there was talked ab=
out open access in the world (2001) these already 
existed.&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra">Thanks to Ca=
rolina, Jean Claude and others that remind us that "the south also 
exists" a=
nd this BOAI Forum is the best site to discuss about open access and to supp=
ort the local and regional development.&nbsp;</div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br></div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra">We invite yo=
u to our Conference Biredial 2013, that will be held in Costa Rica on next O=
ctober 15-17th. For more information visit:&nbsp;<a 
href=3D"http://www.bired=
ial2013.ucr.ac.cr/index.php/Biredial2013/ai">http://www.biredial2013.ucr.ac.=
cr/</a></div>

<div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br>Best 
wishes</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra" s=
tyle=3D"">Saray</div><div 
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">2013/6/13 Fran=C3=A7oise Salager-Meyer <span 
dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"m=
ailto:francoise.sm AT gmail.com" 
target=3D"_blank">francoise.sm AT gmail.com</a>&g=
t;</span><br>


<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0px 0px 0px 
0.8ex;border-l=
eft-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex"><u></u>
<div>
<div>Regarding the coverage of Latin American journals (SciELO) in the
web of science, here are 2 interesting papers. The first one is
entitled "<font face=3D"Arial Bold" 
color=3D"#000000">Latin American
Scientific Journals: from "Lost Science" to Open
Access.</font></div>
<div><br></div>
<div><a 
href=3D"http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Latin%20America=
n%20Scie" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.mexicanistas.eu/uploads/documents/Lat=
in%20American%20Scie</a><span></span>ntific%20Journals,%20ponencia,%20Sanche=
z%20Pereira.pdf</div>



<div><br></div>
<div>p://<a 
href=3D"http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS014=
0-6736(12)61600" 
target=3D"_blank">www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article=
/PIIS0140-6736(12)61600</a><span></span>-6/fulltext</div><span><font color=3D=
"#888888">
<div><br></div>
<div>Fran=C3=A7oise 
Salager-Meyer</div></font></span><div><div>
<div><br></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">***<br>
Greetings from Vancouver<br>
<br>
Interestingly enough, at least from the perspective of an earth
sciences librarian, it appears that some journals that<br>
are in Latindex are also indexed in Web of Science and GeoRef.<br>
<br>
For example,<br>
<br>
<a 
href=3D"http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.html?folio=3D18159&am=
p;opcion=3D3" 
target=3D"_blank">http://www.latindex.unam.mx/buscador/ficRev.=
html?folio=3D18159&amp;opc<span></span>ion=3D3</a><br>
<br>
Knowing the coverage of GeoRef, this doesn't really surprise me.<br>
<br>
Kevin<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
size=3D"-1">Kevin Lindstrom<br>
Physical Sciences and Engineering Librarian<br>
Woodward Library<br>
2198 Health Sciences Mall&nbsp;<br>
University of British Columbia<br>
Vancouver, B.C. Canada V6T 1Z3<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:Email%3Akevin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">Email:ke=
vin.lindstrom AT ubc.ca</a><br>
Voice: (604) 822-0695<br>
<a href=3D"http://scieng.library.ubc.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">scieng.library.ub=
c.ca</a></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">
<hr></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font face=3D"Tahoma" 
size=3D"-1" color=3D"#000000=
"><b>From:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces 
AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D=
"_blank">boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>
[<a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk" 
target=3D"_blank">boa=
i-forum-bounces AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a>] on behalf of Jean-Claude 
Gu=C3=A9don
[<a href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca" 
target=3D"_blank">jean.c=
laude.guedon AT umontreal.ca</a>]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Thursday, June 13, 2013 6:00 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a href=3D"mailto:boai-forum AT 
ecs.soton.ac.uk" target=3D"_blank">b=
oai-forum AT ecs.soton.ac.uk</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> [BOAI] Re: a question on the nature of this
group</font><br>
<font face=3D"Tahoma" size=3D"-1" 
color=3D"#000000"></font></blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Having tried for years to demonstrate
that what is going on outside the North Atlantic region of the world,
is significant at a world scale - how long did it take for people to
begin paying attention to both SciELO and RedALyC? Who pays attention
to the 6000 journals vetted by Latindex? Why are people mesmerized by
the Web of Science, SCOPUS and Ulrich's? - and after publishing
several articles on this kind of issues, I would support Carolina's
call with passion. I would simply add that local actions are
wonderful, but one should never forget that their potential world
impact is also great. The North Atlantic region is not the sole fount
of wisdom in the scientific world, and it should not masquerade as the
only site of "international" science (international here
meaning "core journals" as defined by
Thomson-Reuters...).<br>
<br>
What SciELO and RedALyC are doing is probably far more significant
than all the battles in Britain about a silly Finch report, because
the Finch report affects only Britain and Brazil's GDP is just about
to pass that of Britain, if it is not already the case. The future
lies with Brazil, not Britain, or France or Germany.<br>
<br>
I am with you 120%' Carolina.<br>
<br>
Jean-Claude<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
Le mercredi 12 juin 2013 =C3=A0 13:06 -0400, Carolina Rossini a =C3=A9crit
:<br>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Hi all,<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">In the past few days, thinking on how 
to
advance OA in Latin America, I was wondering if the members of this
list could play a more active role in supporting regional policy
initiatives.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">I was thinking of
a&nbsp;coalition&nbsp;of sorts, which can
publish&nbsp;statements&nbsp;and positions supporting local
actions.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">What do you think? This would not 
change
other roles for this list, regarding discussions on concepts and
events, but would add a additional and spicy element.<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">Carolina<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite">--<br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><b>Carolina 
Rossini</b><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><a 
href=3D"http://carolinarossini.net/" target=3D"=
_blank"><font 
color=3D"#3333FF">http://carolinarossini.net/</font></a><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
color=3D"#666666">+ 1
6176979389</font><br>
<font color=3D"#666666">*</font><a 
href=3D"mailto:carolina.rossini AT gmail.com=
" target=3D"_blank">carolina.rossini AT 
gmail.com</a><font color=3D"#666666">*<=
/font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
color=3D"#666666">skype:
carolrossini</font><br>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><font 
color=3D"#666666"> AT carolinarossini</font><br=
>
</blockquote>
<blockquote type=3D"cite"><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
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<blockquote type=3D"cite"><tt>Jean-Claude Gu=C3=A9don 
Professeur
titulaire Litt=C3=A9rature compar=C3=A9e Universit=C3=A9 de
Montr=C3=A9al</tt></blockquote>
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=B3rdoba Gonz=C3=A1lez<br>


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Investigaci=C3=B3n<br>Univers=
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