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Budapest Open Access Initiative: BOAI Forum Archive [BOAI] [Forum Home] [index] [prev] [next] [options] [help]boaiforum messages[BOAI] Re: Submission fees in journalsFrom: Carolina Rossini <carolina.rossini AT gmail.com>
--0016e6d2820f1943550478d486f8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I completely agree with Jean-Claude. Thus, you should also talk to SciELO. And see if you can send some type of questionnaire to see how many authors could pay...which will result that almost none can, if this money does not come from the research funding... SciELO is also now migrating to a project with books. Very beautiful and well design. Carolina On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM, Jean-Claude Gu=E9don < jean.claude.guedon AT umontreal.ca> wrote: > I do not know what the results of this study will be, but right off the > bat, I can say that this is a beautiful way to keep scientists from poor > countries from trying to publish in these journals. Is this what the OA > movement wants. And are we going to implement more exception rules for po= or > countries that are read as further examples of humiliation and > discrimination? > > The fallacy behind all of this quest for income is the concept of > sustainability which implies some kind of commercial stability. This, in > turn, rests on the premise that scientific journals are commercial entiti= es. > But why should it be so? Why not talk instead in terms of viability, and > viability can easily include governmental help. After all, scientific > research could not work without governmental help. Does this mean that > scientific research should be deemed unsustainable? > > In the OA community, we are all convinced that publishing is an integral > part of the research cycle. > We also know that much of research is funded in one way or another by > public money > Finally, we know that the cost of publishing is a small fraction of > research and would be even smaller if profits disappeared from the system > > So, why don,t we push for a support of research by governments that is > coherent, that is to say that includes the publishing part of the researc= h > cycle. > > The best model for this is SciELO. Moreover, if you study scholarly and > scientific publishing everywhere, you will see that the number of countri= es > where government support for publishing does not exist is actually quite > small. > > If several governments are involved, stability will be strengthened, and > editorial autonomy ensured. > > is this not what we really want. > > Jean-Claude Gu=E9don > > > > Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 =E0 08:56 -0500, Peter Suber a =E9crit : > > [Forwarding from Mark Ware. --Peter Suber.] > > > Dear List > > I've been commissioned by Knowledge Exchange (www.knowledge-exchange.info= ), > a partnership of JISC (UK), SURF (Netherlands), DEFF (Denmark) and DfG > (Germany), to do a study into the feasibility of submission fees in open > access journals (i.e. as distinct from publication fees charged after > acceptance). I've written a short description of the project on my blog > here: http://mrkwr.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-access-submission-fees/ > > At this stage I would like to make contact with journals or publishers > (whether OA or otherwise) with any history of charging submission fees, w= ith > a view to learning from their experience. If anyone on the list has such > experience they would be willing to share with this project, do please > contact me in the first instance via email at mark AT ↵ markwareconsulting.com= . > > Regards, > -Mark Ware > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------------= ------------- > Director T: +44 117 > 959 3726 > Mark Ware Consulting Ltd M: +44 7973 824378 > 14 Hyland Grove Skype: markxware > Westbury-on-Trym E: > mark AT markwareconsulting.com > Bristol BS9 3NR, UK W: > www.markwareconsulting.com > Reg. in England no. 04910494 LI: > http://www.linkedin.com/in/mrkwr > > > -- > To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page:http://www.= soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f > > > > -- > To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: > http://www.soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f > > --0016e6d2820f1943550478d486f8 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <div dir=3D"ltr">I completely agree with Jean-Claude. ↵ <br> <br> Thus, you should also talk to SciELO. And see if you can send some type of questionnaire to see how many authors could pay...which will result that almost none can, if this money does not come from the research funding...<br> <br> SciELO is also now migrating to a project with books. Very beautiful and we= ll design. <br> <br> Carolina<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, ↵ Nov 18, 2009 at 7:46 AM,= Jean-Claude Gu=E9don <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a ↵ href=3D"mailto:jean.claude.g= uedon AT umontreal.ca">jean.claude.guedon AT ↵ umontreal.ca</a>></span> wrote:<b= r><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: ↵ 1px solid rgb(204= , 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> =20 =20 <div> I do not know what the results of this study will be, but right off the bat= , I can say that this is a beautiful way to keep scientists from poor count= ries from trying to publish in these journals. Is this what the OA movement= wants. And are we going to implement more exception rules for poor countri= es that are read as further examples of humiliation and ↵ discrimination?<br> <br> The fallacy behind all of this quest for income is the concept of sustainab= ility which implies some kind of commercial stability. This, in turn, rests= on the premise that scientific journals are commercial entities. But why s= hould it be so? Why not talk instead in terms of viability, and viability c= an easily include governmental help. After all, scientific research could n= ot work without governmental help. Does this mean that scientific research = should be deemed unsustainable?<br> <br> In the OA community, we are all convinced that publishing is an integral pa= rt of the research cycle.<br> We also know that much of research is funded in one way or another by publi= c money<br> Finally, we know that the cost of publishing is a small fraction of researc= h and would be even smaller if profits disappeared from the system<br> <br> So, why don,t we push for a support of research by governments that is cohe= rent, that is to say that includes the publishing part of the research cycl= e.<br> <br> The best model for this is SciELO. Moreover, if you study scholarly and sci= entific publishing everywhere, you will see that the number of countries wh= ere government support for publishing does not exist is actually quite smal= l.<br> <br> If several governments are involved, stability will be strengthened, and ed= itorial autonomy ensured.<br> <br> is this not what we really want.<br> <br> Jean-Claude Gu=E9don<br> <br> <br> <br> Le lundi 16 novembre 2009 =E0 08:56 -0500, Peter Suber a =E9crit ↵ :<div><div= ></div><div class=3D"h5"><br> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> [Forwarding from Mark Ware. =A0--Peter Suber.]<br> <br> </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <br> Dear List<br> <br> I've been commissioned by Knowledge Exchange (<a ↵ href=3D"http://www= .knowledge-exchange.info" ↵ target=3D"_blank">www.knowledge-exchange.info</a>= ), a partnership of JISC (UK), SURF (Netherlands), DEFF (Denmark) and DfG (= Germany), to do a study into the feasibility of submission fees in open acc= ess journals (i.e. as distinct from publication fees charged after acceptan= ce). I've written a short description of the project on my blog here: ↵ <= a ↵ href=3D"http://mrkwr.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-access-submission-fees= /" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://mrkwr.wordpress.com/2009/11/04/open-access-subm= ission-fees/</a><br> <br> At this stage I would like to make contact with journals or publishers = (whether OA or otherwise) with any history of charging submission fees, wit= h a view to learning from their experience. If anyone on the list has such = experience they would be willing to share with this project, do please cont= act me in the first instance via email at <a href=3D"mailto:mark AT ↵ markwareco= nsulting.com" target=3D"_blank">mark AT ↵ markwareconsulting.com</a>.<br> <br> Regards,<br> =A0-Mark Ware </blockquote> <blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <br> -----------------------------------------------------------------------= ---------------<br> Director =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 T: +44 117 959 3726<br> Mark Ware Consulting Ltd =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 M:= +44 7973 824378<br> 14 Hyland Grove =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 Skype: markxware<br> Westbury-on-Trym =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 = =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0E: <a href=3D"mailto:mark AT ↵ markwareconsulting.com" target= =3D"_blank">mark AT markwareconsulting.com</a><br> Bristol BS9 3NR, UK =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 =A0 =A0W: <a href=3D"http://www.markwareconsulting.com" ↵ target=3D"_bla= nk">www.markwareconsulting.com</a><br> Reg. in England no. 04910494 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0LI: <a ↵ href=3D"= http://www.linkedin.com/in/mrkwr" ↵ target=3D"_blank">http://www.linkedin.com= /in/mrkwr</a><br> <br> <br> </blockquote> </div></div><blockquote type=3D"CITE"> <pre>-- =20 To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: <a href=3D"http://www.soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f" ↵ target=3D"_blank"= >http://www.soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f</a> </pre> </blockquote> </div> <br><br> --<br> To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page:<br> <a href=3D"http://www.soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f" ↵ target=3D"_blank"= >http://www.soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f</a><br> <br></blockquote></div><br></div> --0016e6d2820f1943550478d486f8-- -- To unsubscribe from the BOAI Forum, use the form on this page: http://www.soros.org/openaccess/forum.shtml?f [BOAI] [Forum Home] [index] [prev] [next] [options] [help]
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